Talk:Sinners and Saints

Sean's AR15 Carbine

Just looking through the page, nice work by the way, it appears the AR15 Carbine that Sean uses at the end isn't on the page yet. I've tried my best to try and identify it but I'm still not sure about how to upload screencaps to the degree that I'm ready to add them to a page. Anyway I figured I would put what I noticed about the carbine down here to help identifying it. It has flip up sights, what looks like an SPR Rail System, KX-3 flash hider and possibly a Vltor Modstock. It's also equipped with an EOTEC, possibly the XPS2 as it's really small. Initially I thought it was a Noveske Diplomat but the barrel is too long and the Rail System doesn't look the same either. Hope this is of any help. --cool-breeze 21:27, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

Im watching this right now, and it looks a lot like a Colt Model 933--simmons 8492

I've been speaking to William Kaufman (the director) and he said that it's some sort of M4 variant dressed up to look like his own personal Noveske 10.5" --cool-breeze 14:34, 16 March 2012 (CDT)

Just watched it again looks like a Hk 416 to me [by the stock, the way the mag looks longer than a standard AR variant and by the rails on the fore end]

I'm inclined to agree that it is a HK416, I've just been having a look at it in detail to identify the flash hider (it is a KX-3) and I noticed that it seems to have the writing on the front of the magwell that the HK416 has and the rail system has the longer vents in the sides. --cool-breeze 16:21, 7 May 2012 (CDT)

I've just noticed on the pic that's uploaded of Riley taking the carbine out of the box, its a different rifle [prob one of the spares or props]coz it doesnt have the flash hider, it has a Eotech 552, a standard foregrip, different front flip-up sight and has a standard M4 stock rather than what i think may be a Crane stock. --BrokenBullet 01:40, 30 June 2012 (CDT)

It's definitely not a standard Crane stock and I'm 90% sure that it's a Vltor Mod stock --cool-breeze 14:21, 1 July 2012 (CDT)

It's Official

DVD and Blu-ray January 10th. http://www.monstersandcritics.com/dvd/news/article_1672825.php/Sinners-and-Saints-brings-action-to-Blu-ray-and-DVD-in-January

Sean's Holster

What type is it? Also, are those ten-round magazines he uses? I can't get the film in the UK lol --Taurus96 06:05, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

The film is called Bad Cop in the UK for some bizarre reason. The thigh holster he has looks like a Safariland and the waist holster looks like a Fobus to me, and the magazine does look like they are 10 rounders. --cool-breeze 09:42, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

Alright, cheers, I'll try and find it. Thanks for the info --Taurus96 11:26, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

Yeah i noticed that its called Bad Cop too. What an incredibly appalling title for such a good film! You can pick it up in local supermarkets [Tesco and Morrisons] for like £7 so bad title or not that's a fairly decent price for such an awesome movie!Also just out of curiosity when would standard police officers use tactical leg holsters ??? and why would you choose one over a hip??? In my opinion leg holsters just get to be an extra load on your leg, i play Airsoft and i gotta say, especially for cqb situations a hip gives more advantage and easy accessibility over a leg holster. By i guess its prob down to personal preference. --BrokenBullet 12:45, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

See I'm an airsofter too and I find thigh holsters better for transitioning between a primary and secondary weapon. Where as if we're in a pistol and shotgun game I have a waist holster for my pistol as I usually go to them in a more Sinner's and Saints style of loadout. I'm putting a loadout together based on Mr Parker from The Way of the Gun at the moment. --cool-breeze 14:42, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

If you are wearing bullet proof vest (particularly if it has ballistic plates and pouches) a waist holster can be hard to use with the pistol getting caught as you draw it upwards. With a thigh holster it is clear of anything on your vest or belt, and in my experience is a quicker draw as the grip of the pistol is where your arm naturally hangs. I also find it more comfortable to draw from a thigh holster, particularly if you are wearing body armour or are carrying a lot of kit. This is a personnel preference thing though, along with it being situation dependent. --commando552 17:37, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

Using the old ALICE and PLCE rigs a thigh holster was easier to use too because the pouches on the sides would usually obstruct the holster unless you took them off, but that limits the amount you can carry on your rig. I've got a Blackhawk Serpa thigh holster and it's so easy to use. --cool-breeze 18:58, 19 June 2012 (CDT)