Talk:Sinners and Saints

My Review of Sinners and Saints

★★★★

This is an outstanding crime action thriller. Johnny Strong is convincing in the lead role of Sean Riley, a New Orleans cop who is assigned a grisly homicide case with a young Detective, Will Ganz (Kevin Phillips). Riley discovers that his old friend Colin (Sean Patrick Flanery) is involved in some way and has to figure out what his friend has gotten himself into whilst trying to solve the case.

The characters themselves tick quite a lot of boxes of what you would expect from a cop action thriller but there is more to them than these familiar archetypes. William Kaufman doesn't create a set of characters in his screenplay, he manages to create people who we can believe that they could exist. There are a few nice cameos from some well known actors of the past, Tom Berenger and Jurgen Prochnow stand out above all others. The film doesn't let up on the brutality, nor does it shy away from it. At it's core the film is a throwback to the crime films of the 70s and 80s, taking inspiration from the buddy cop genre with some of it's scenes. And yet the story is a very contemporary piece.

The action sequences are fantastic and with the exception of some of the blood hits there seems to be no CGI involved in their construction. When a car crashes, it really crashes which is a nice change. The scenery is fresh and different, mainly due to its New Orleans setting.

It's incredible to believe that this was an independent production because it has all the hallmarks and production value of a big budget action movie. William Kaufman seems to have put every cent they spent on the screen and he does so with a style that is very reminiscent of the Dirty Harry series mixed with Lethal Weapon. --cool-breeze 20:01, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

★★★★

I agree entirely. Johnny strong was amazing in this film as the ex-delta turned Detective Sean Riley. He was able to play him so well, and display how riley uses his anger to do his job, Such as in the house raid in the begining of the film. His performace echoed that of Mel gibson in Lethal weapon, without the whole "Im insane and might kill myself" aspect. He was sad about thye death of his son, and his wife leaving him, But he was more angry about it than anything, Much like dirty harry.

Kevin Phillips, did a fantastic job playing that even though he is a cop, He is scared that if he dies, what will happen to his family. He is a by the book detectective, Who unlike riley (Johnny strong) isnt too quick to rush into a firefight. That changes when not only is he forced into a corner, but the thing he cares for most, His family, is threatened. Then the gloves come off.

This film is, in my opinion, The best new cop film ive seen, along with bad boys II. But unlike Bad Boys II, This movie isnt the buddy cop, Huge michael bay, explosion here, explosion there film. Its the one cop with nothing to lose, doing the job his way. And the chase scene at the end, as riley and ganz chase down crowe's car, Shows how riley isnt just doing this because its his job. He wants revenge. And the "Look at me" scene reminded me of the dirty harry "Well do ya, Punk?" Scene, But without the witty humor. Johnny strong was amazinjg in this film, and i cant wait for this!! [[1]]--Simmons 8492

Sean's AR15 Carbine

Just looking through the page, nice work by the way, it appears the AR15 Carbine that Sean uses at the end isn't on the page yet. I've tried my best to try and identify it but I'm still not sure about how to upload screencaps to the degree that I'm ready to add them to a page. Anyway I figured I would put what I noticed about the carbine down here to help identifying it. It has flip up sights, what looks like an SPR Rail System, KX-3 flash hider and possibly a Vltor Modstock. It's also equipped with an EOTEC, possibly the XPS2 as it's really small. Initially I thought it was a Noveske Diplomat but the barrel is too long and the Rail System doesn't look the same either. Hope this is of any help. --cool-breeze 21:27, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

Im watching this right now, and it looks a lot like a Colt Model 933--simmons 8492

I've been speaking to William Kaufman (the director) and he said that it's some sort of M4 variant dressed up to look like his own personal Noveske 10.5" --cool-breeze 14:34, 16 March 2012 (CDT)

Just watched it again looks like a Hk 416 to me [by the stock, the way the mag looks longer than a standard AR variant and by the rails on the fore end]

I'm inclined to agree that it is a HK416, I've just been having a look at it in detail to identify the flash hider (it is a KX-3) and I noticed that it seems to have the writing on the front of the magwell that the HK416 has and the rail system has the longer vents in the sides. --cool-breeze 16:21, 7 May 2012 (CDT)

I've just noticed on the pic that's uploaded of Riley taking the carbine out of the box, its a different rifle [prob one of the spares or props]coz it doesnt have the flash hider, it has a Eotech 552, a standard foregrip, different front flip-up sight and has a standard M4 stock rather than what i think may be a Crane stock. --BrokenBullet 01:40, 30 June 2012 (CDT)

It's definitely not a standard Crane stock and I'm 90% sure that it's a Vltor Mod stock --cool-breeze 14:21, 1 July 2012 (CDT)

It's Official

DVD and Blu-ray January 10th. http://www.monstersandcritics.com/dvd/news/article_1672825.php/Sinners-and-Saints-brings-action-to-Blu-ray-and-DVD-in-January

Sean's Holster

What type is it? Also, are those ten-round magazines he uses? I can't get the film in the UK lol --Taurus96 06:05, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

The film is called Bad Cop in the UK for some bizarre reason. The thigh holster he has looks like a Safariland and the waist holster looks like a Fobus to me, and the magazine does look like they are 10 rounders. --cool-breeze 09:42, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

Alright, cheers, I'll try and find it. Thanks for the info --Taurus96 11:26, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

Yeah i noticed that its called Bad Cop too. What an incredibly appalling title for such a good film! You can pick it up in local supermarkets [Tesco and Morrisons] for like £7 so bad title or not that's a fairly decent price for such an awesome movie!Also just out of curiosity when would standard police officers use tactical leg holsters ??? and why would you choose one over a hip??? In my opinion leg holsters just get to be an extra load on your leg, i play Airsoft and i gotta say, especially for cqb situations a hip gives more advantage and easy accessibility over a leg holster. By i guess its prob down to personal preference. --BrokenBullet 12:45, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

See I'm an airsofter too and I find thigh holsters better for transitioning between a primary and secondary weapon. Where as if we're in a pistol and shotgun game I have a waist holster for my pistol as I usually go to them in a more Sinner's and Saints style of loadout. I'm putting a loadout together based on Mr Parker from The Way of the Gun at the moment. --cool-breeze 14:42, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

If you are wearing bullet proof vest (particularly if it has ballistic plates and pouches) a waist holster can be hard to use with the pistol getting caught as you draw it upwards. With a thigh holster it is clear of anything on your vest or belt, and in my experience is a quicker draw as the grip of the pistol is where your arm naturally hangs. I also find it more comfortable to draw from a thigh holster, particularly if you are wearing body armour or are carrying a lot of kit. This is a personnel preference thing though, along with it being situation dependent. --commando552 17:37, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

Using the old ALICE and PLCE rigs a thigh holster was easier to use too because the pouches on the sides would usually obstruct the holster unless you took them off, but that limits the amount you can carry on your rig. I've got a Blackhawk Serpa thigh holster and it's so easy to use. --cool-breeze 18:58, 19 June 2012 (CDT)