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[[Image:Raw_deal.jpg|thumb|400px|right|''Raw Deal'' (1986)]]
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[[Image:Raw_deal.jpg|thumb|300px|right|''Raw Deal'' (1986)]]
  
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'''The following weapons appear in the movie ''Raw Deal'':'''
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'''''Raw Deal''''' is a 1986 action film starring [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] as Mark Kaminsky, a disgraced former FBI agent who is given a chance to go undercover as a mobster in order to find the government mole who was responsible for leaking information that led to the death of a witness and several FBI agents, one of which also happened to be the son of Kaminsky's friend, retired FBI Senior Agent Harry Shannon ([[Darren McGavin]]). ''Raw Deal'' was helmed by British director [[John Irvin]], whose other works include ''[[The Dogs of War]]'' and ''[[Hamburger Hill]]''. ''Raw Deal'' was Schwarzenegger's next film to capitalize on his hit movie ''[[Commando]]'' (1985), however it was only a moderate commercial success, owing a lot to the previous hit movie for its ticket sales. In Schwarzenegger's filmography, it is considered one of the action star's weaker films, despite the presence of several veteran actors and actresses in supporting roles and achieving a sort of cult film status for its quirky lines and action sequences. Not to be confused with the [[Raw Deal (1948)|1948 crime drama]] or the 1977 Western of the same name.
  
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=Submachine Guns=
 
==Heckler & Koch HK94==
 
==Heckler & Koch HK94==
  
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In the climax of the film, Mark Kaminsky ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) goes to his hotel room and unpacks an arsenal of weapons hidden in a storage bag for his suit. One of the weapons is a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94]] semi-automatic carbine, the civilian version of the famous [[Heckler & Koch MP5|MP5]]. His gun is the A3 model, which has a collapsible stock, as well as a ventilated barrel shroud, and a vertical fore grip mounted just to the front and slightly below the main sight. When he carries out his assault at the mine and later on Patrovita's hideout, the weapon is fired on full-auto, suggesting that it was converted by a Class III manufacturer to a legal full auto gun for the film. One detail that also reveals the conversion of a Semi auto carbine into a full auto gun is the lack of a paddle release for the magazine (which was standard on all original MP5s). It takes some fitting and the acquisition of a replacement H&K paddle, and many armorers just didn't bother.
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In the climax of the film, Mark Kaminsky ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) goes to his hotel room and unpacks an arsenal of weapons hidden in a storage bag for his suit. One of the weapons is a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94]] semi-automatic carbine, the civilian version of the famous [[Heckler & Koch MP5|MP5]]. His gun is the A3 model, which has a collapsible stock, as well as a ventilated barrel shroud, and a vertical fore grip mounted just to the front and slightly below the main sight. When he carries out his assault at the mine and later on Patrovita's hideout, the weapon is fired on full-auto, suggesting that it was converted by a Class III manufacturer to a legal full auto gun for the film. One detail that also reveals the conversion of a Semi auto carbine into a full auto gun is the lack of a paddle release for the magazine (which was standard on all original MP5s). It takes some fitting and the acquisition of a replacement H&K paddle, and many armorers just didn't bother.
  
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Schwarzenegger is also seen brandishing this same weapon (or perhaps another, identical weapon) on the poster for the movie, seen above, albeit with no magazine loaded in the gun. A notable goof is that the weapon has the "slimline"-type forearm when Kaminsky is seen loading it in his hotel room, but for the rest of the film, it has the "tropical" or "wide"-type forearm.
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Schwarzenegger is also seen brandishing this same weapon (or perhaps another, identical weapon) in publicity images and on the poster for the movie, seen above, albeit with no magazine loaded in the gun. A notable goof is that the weapon has the "slimline"-type handguard when Kaminsky is seen loading it in his hotel room, but for the rest of the film, it has the "tropical" or "wide"-type handguard.
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[[Image:HK94A3 shroud.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch HK94A3 with barrel shroud & "tropical" handguard.]]
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[[File:RawDpub.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Publicity image of [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] holding the HK94 (sans magazine).]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-67748.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky slaps a magazine into his HK94. Note the "slimline"-type handguard.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-71832.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky driving through the quarry, popping bad guys with his HK94 on full-auto. His HK94 now has the "tropical" handguard.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-79395.jpg|thumb|600px|none|He doesn't seem to have a problem firing the HK94 with only one hand, as demonstrated here.]]
  
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[[Image:HK94.jpg|thumb|300px|none|H&K HK94 A3 9mm]]
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==International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol== 
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-67748.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Kaminsky slaps a magazine into his HK94.]]
 
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-71832.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Kaminsky driving through the mine, popping bad guys with his HK94 on full-auto!]]
 
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-79395.jpg|thumb|800px|none|He doesn't seem to have a problem firing the HK94 with only one hand, as demonstrated here.]]
 
  
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==Dan Wesson Revolver==
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An [[International Ordnance MP2]] machine pistol is used by Kaminski during the casino shootout. The International Ordance MP2 had a front grip that doubled as an extra mag holder. This portion has evidently been removed for the film. The pistol is basically a shortened STEN tube with a magwell/pistol grip very similar to that of an M-11/9mm smg. The muzzle brake aids with control on full auto fire mode, especially helpful when the foregrip was removed. 
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[[Image:InternationalOrdnanceMP2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol, 9x19mm Parabellum]]
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[[Image:Iomp2.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol, 9x19mm Parabellum]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-68056.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky loads a magazine into his MP2.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-68211.jpg|thumb|600px|none|An extreme close-up of the machine pistol as he puts it back in the bag.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-69661.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky grabs the machine pistol before using it to shoot out the windshield of his car.]]
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[[Image:RawDeal 015.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky opens fire on the mobsters with his MP2.]]
  
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One of the other weapons which Kaminsky has in his suit storage bag is a Dan Wesson revolver. Most notably, he uses the weapon to kill the driver of a huge off-road dump truck who is trying to run him down while he's holed up in a trailer.
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==(Fake) Uzi (MAC-10)==
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The mobsters are also seen wielding submachine guns that might appear at first to be [[Uzi]]s (some with fixed wooden buttstocks, others with folding stocks). However, a close-inspection of the receivers reveals that they are actually [[MAC-10]]s that have been visually modified to resemble the Uzi, fitted with Uzi barrels, front and rear sights, forward grips, and stocks. These exact same prop weapons also appear in several other Hollywood movies, including ''[[The Dogs of War]], [[Killer Elite, The (1975)|The Killer Elite (1975)]]'' and ''[[Stripes]]''.
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[[File:Uzi old stock.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi with detachable wood buttstock (early model with straight comb) - 9x19mm]]
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[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|300px|An unmodified Ingram MAC-10 open bolt submachine gun - 9x19mm]]‎
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-59410.jpg|thumb|600px|none|In the opening hit on a mob witness, a mobster opens fire with the MAC-10 mocked up to resemble the Uzi. This particular weapon is fitted with a fixed stock.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-59747.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A close-up of the same mobster's "Uzi".]]
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[[Image:RawD_7008.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When a bus pulls up and opens fire on Patrovita and his bodyguards, the distinctive barrel and forward grip of the fake Uzi is seen as one of the machine guns.]]
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[[Image:RawD 0003.jpg|thumb|600px|none|In the final casino shootout, Kaminski uses the mock Uzi. His "Uzi" is fitted with the adjustable stock.]]
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[[Image:RawDeal 009.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminski fires the mock Uzi.]]
  
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:''Which model is this? Is it the Model 15? I don't know Dan Wesson revolvers very well.''
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==MAC-10==
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One of Petrovita's soldiers fires on Kaminski with an actual [[MAC-10]] in the final casino shootout.
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[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|300px|none|MAC-10 - .45 ACP]]‎
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[[Image:RawD 7038.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster on the left opens fire on Kaminsky with his MAC-10.]]
  
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[[Image:Danwesson357 web.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Dan Wesson revolver]]
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=Revolvers=
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-68359.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Kaminsky checks the load in his Dan Wesson revolver]]
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==Dan Wesson Model 15 ==
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-74126.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Raising his Dan Wesson revolver with one hand, Kaminsky prepares to finish off the truck driver.]]
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One of the other weapons which Kaminsky has in his suit storage bag is a [[Dan Wesson revolvers|Dan Wesson Model 15]] revolver. Most notably, he uses the weapon to kill the driver of a huge off-road dump truck who is trying to run him down while he's holed up in a trailer.
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[[File:DanWesson15.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Dan Wesson Model 15 - .357 Magnum]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-68359.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky checks the load in his Dan Wesson revolver]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-74126.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Raising his Dan Wesson revolver with one hand, Kaminsky prepares to finish off the truck driver.]]
  
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==Cellini-Dunn SM-9???==
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==Dan Wesson Model 15-VH==
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Several Patrovita soldiers use [[Dan Wesson revolvers|Dan Wesson Model 15]] in the final shootout with Kaminsky.
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[[Image:DW15-VH.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Dan Wesson Revolver Model 15-VH - .357 Magnum]]
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[[Image:RawDeal 010.jpg|thumb|600px|none|One of Patrovita's soldiers ([[Sven-Ole Thorsen]]) gets ready to take on Kaminsky with his Dan Wesson revolver.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-77167.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A Patrovita soldier fires his Dan Wesson. His handgun has a squared lug which is a characteristic of Dan Wesson revolvers.]]
  
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Another of the weapons in Kaminsky's arsenal is a very compact machine pistol that has an extremely high rate of fire. This gun appears to be a Cellini-Dunn SM-9, but it obviously lacks the forward grip in front. Could it be something else? Feel free to edit this entry if so.
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==Smith & Wesson Model 10HB==
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One of Patrovita's soldiers fires a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10HB]].
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[[Image:S&WModel10HB.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB (heavy barrel) revolver (Post 1950s Model) - .38 Special. Later incarnations of the Model 10 had a non-tapered heavy barrel, which leads it to be commonly mistaken for a .357 revolver.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-65868.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A Patrovita soldier fires his S&W.]]
  
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As done loads of times, It may be a 'modified' one for the movie to look like a different weapon. The Armourer may have thought a front grip on such a small SMG is pointless and the SM-9 would be ideal as a clandestine PDW. The muzzle my have been installed not much for vanity but to reduce barrel climb so it can be handled without the front grip. It reminds me very much of the British MCEM 1 machine carbine.
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==Colt Detective Special==
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FBI Special Agent Harry Shannon ([[Darren McGavin]]) carries a [[Colt Detective Special|Colt Detective Special - Post 1972]] when he's ambushed by Max Keller ([[Robert Davi]]). IT appears that Harry is carrying a Colt Detective Special with the 3 inch barrel.
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[[File:NiceColtDSThreeInchBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Detective Special 3rd Gen - .38 Special with 3 inch barrel]]
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[[Image:RD 306.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FBI Special Agent Harry Shannon ([[Darren McGavin]]) pulls a [[Colt Detective Special]] when he's ambushed by Keller and his men.]]
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[[Image:RawD 7051.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Harry hits the ground with his Colt after he's wounded in the ambush.]]
  
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[[Image:640572.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Cellini Dunn SM-9 9mm]]
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== Smith & Wesson Model 15 ==
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-68056.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Kaminsky loads up his little machine pistol, which may or may not be a Cellini-Dunn SM-9.]]
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A [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] is held by one of Patrovita's soldiers during the Chicago PD raid on a hideout.
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-68211.jpg|thumb|800px|none|An extreme close-up of the machine pistol as he puts it back in the bag.]]
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[[Image:Model15a.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] .38 Special]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-69661.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Kaminsky grabs the machine pistol before using it to shoot out the windshield of his car.]]
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[[Image:RD 328.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] is held by one of Patrovita's soldiers during the Chicago PD raid on a hideout.]]
  
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==Mossberg 500 shotgun==
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==Smith & Wesson Model 15 (Snub)==
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FBI Special Agent Blair Shannon (Steve Holt) is seen holding a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub]] in the beginning of the film. At the end, Kaminsky takes a S&W off the floor and gives it to Baxter ([[Joe Regalbuto]]), telling him to "resign or be prosecuted". Chicago cop Baker ([[Ed Lauter]]) also carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub]] during the apartment raid on Petrovita's men.
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[[Image:M15M07.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 with a 2 inch barrel]]
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[[Image:RawD 7003.jpg|thumb|600px|none|FBI Special Agent Blair Shannon (Steve Holt) is seen holding a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub]] in the beginning of the film.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-80935.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The revolver seen on the casino floor.]]
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[[Image:RawD 7045.jpg|thumb|600px|none|"Resign or be prosecuted. Any way you want it." Kaminsky takes a S&W off the floor and gives it to Baxter.]]
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[[Image:RawD 7046.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Baxter ([[Joe Regalbuto]]) holds the S&W.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-62404.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Baker ([[Ed Lauter]]) draws his S&W on Patrovita's men.]]
  
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The last weapon in Kaminsky's weapons cache is a Mossberg 500 shotgun fitted with a short barrel and a pistol grip . This is the gun he uses to finish off Patrovita.
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==Smith & Wesson Model 64==
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Patrovita ([[Sam Wanamaker]]) uses a snub-nosed [[Smith & Wesson Model 64]] in the final casino shootout.
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[[Image:Model64SN.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 64 Snub Nose - .38 Special This is the early variant.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-75101.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Patrovita ([[Sam Wanamaker]]) and his soldiers prepare to take on Kaminsky.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-75220.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Patrovita is on the left side with his Smith & Wesson.]]
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[[Image:RawD 7034.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A closeup of Patrovita's stainless [[Smith & Wesson Model 64]].]]
  
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-68761.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Kaminsky works the action on his shotgun.]]
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== Charter Arms Off Duty ==
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-68881.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Cocked and ready for action!]]
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A female Chicago undercover cop surprises a Patrovita lookout by drawing a [[Charter Arms Off Duty]] revolver on him. It could either be the undercover, or the off duty.
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[[Image:CharterArmsOffDuty.png|thumb|none|300px|Charter Arms - .38 Special]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-61959.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The female undercover cop pulls her Charter Arms.]]
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[[Image:RawD_7014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
  
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==M16==
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==Astra 357==
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Kaminsky uses a 3-inch barreled [[Astra 357]] in some scenes of the movie.
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[[File:Astra 357.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Astra 357, 3" barrel - .357 Magnum]]
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[[Image:RawD_7009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Astra 357 with a 3 inch barrel is pulled out by Kaminsky. Note the shape of the hammer and the rounded front of the frame, different of the square frame of the S&W N-frame]]
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[[Image:RawD_7010.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Astra 357. is pulled on the limo driver. Note the distinctive shape of the hammer]]
  
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Among the weapons used throughout the film by the mobsters are very early [[M16 rifle series#M16|M16]] assault rifles - so early that they lack the forward assist and have the old-style three-pronged flash hiders.
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=Pistols=
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==Colt M1911A1==
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A stainless [[Colt M1911A1]] is held by one of the Chicago police officers during the raid on the Patrovita hideout.
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[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
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[[Image:RD 333.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the far right, the officer in red holds the pistol.]]
  
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[[Image:M16-SP1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The original M16, the first version adopted in large numbers by the U.S. Army in Vietnam.  It would later be replaced by the upgraded M16A1 - 5.56mm]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-70937.jpg|thumb|800px|none|One of the thugs at the mine brandishing an M16.]]
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==Mossberg 500AT==
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-71438.jpg|thumb|800px|none|The same thug firing his M16 at Kaminsky's car. Despite the fact that his rifle has superior range and accuracy to any of Kaminsky's weapons, he is still taken down by a burst from the HK94 (fired, of course, one-handed!)]]
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The last weapon in Kaminsky's weapons cache is a [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500AT shotgun]] fitted with a riot barrel with a heavy choke and a pistol grip. This is likely the same shotgun used in ''[[Code of Silence]].''
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[[Image:Mossber500CPistolGrip.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg 500AT Shotgun with pistol grip and heavy choke - 12 gauge]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-68761.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) works the action on his Mossberg 500AT.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-68881.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky's Mossberg 500AT Shotgun cocked and ready for action.]]
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[[Image:RawD 7044.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kaminsky uses his Mossberg to take out Patrovita.]]
  
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==Mossberg 500==
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What appears to be a [[Mossberg 500]] shotgun is carried by one of the Chicago police officers during the raid on a Patrovita hideout.
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[[Image:Mossberg500AT.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500AT Shotgun - 12 gauge. Note the wood furniture.]]
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[[Image:RD 332.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The shotgun held by the officer during the raid.]]
  
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==CAR-15==
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==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
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One of the mob hitmen at the film's beginning uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] to eliminate one of the FBI agents. A sawed off double barreled is used during the attempt on Harry's life.
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[[File:Stevens12GaugeShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]
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[[Image:RawDeal 001.jpg|thumb|600px|none|One of the mob hitmen at the film's beginning uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]].]]
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[[Image:RawD 7018.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A sawed off double barreled is used during the attempt on Harry's life.]]
  
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The mobsters are also frequently seen using some type of [[M16 rifle#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|CAR-15]] variation that might be a GAU-5/A, or (more likely) some civilian AR15 type modified to look like them. I'm not sure which one they are exactly.
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=Rifles / Carbines=
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==MGC Replica M16==
  
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[[Image:CAR-15Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Commercial CAR-15 copy 5.56mm]]
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Among the weapons carried throughout the film by the mobsters are [[M16 rifle series#M16|MGC M16]] assault rifles - identifiable by the fact that they don't fire and they have the fake forward assist and upside down three pronged flash hider.
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-71978.jpg|thumb|800px|none|One of the mine thugs firing at Kaminsky's car with a CAR-15-type gun.]]
 
  
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[[Image:MGC16.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The MGC M16 Assault rifle: a non-firing metal replica built by the Model Gun Corp of Japan and one of the most used non-firing replicas of the M16 in movies and television.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-70937.jpg|thumb|601px|none|One of the thugs at the mine brandishing an MGC M16 replica, identifiable by the fake forward assist and upside down three-pronged flash hider.]]
  
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==(Fake) Uzi==
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==M16A1==
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When the Patrovita guard fires on Kaminsky, the MGC is changed out for an [[M16 rifle series|M16A1]].
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[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-71438.jpg|thumb|601px|none|The same thug aims his M16A1 at Kaminsky's car.]]
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[[Image:RawD 7028.jpg|thumb|601px|none|The same thug fires at Kaminsky's car. Note that the MGC is changed out for an [[M16 rifle series|M16A1]] as the shells are seen ejecting from the side.]]
  
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The mobsters are also seen wielding submachine guns that might appear at first to be [[Uzi]]s (some with fixed wooden buttstocks, others with folding stocks). However, a close-inspection of the receivers reveals that they are actually [[MAC-10]]s that have been visually modified to look like Uzis, fitted with Uzi barrels, front and rear sights, forward grips, and stocks. These exact same prop weapons also appear in several other Hollywood movies, including ''[[The Dogs of War]]'' and ''[[Stripes]]''.
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==(Fake) XM177 ==
  
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-59410.jpg|thumb|800px|none|A mobster opening fire with a MAC-10 made to look like an Uzi.]]
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The mobsters are also frequently seen using some type of [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|CAR-15]] variation that appears to resemble an XM177, but it's actually a converted AR15 SP1 carbine made to look like an XM177. These are the same guns seen in ''[[The Dogs of War]]'' (Special Effects Unlimited, the company which supplied weapons for that film, were also the armorers on this film).
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-59747.jpg|thumb|800px|none|An extreme close-up of the same mobster's "Uzi".]]
 
  
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[[Image:FakeXM177.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Late 1970s model AR15 Sporter 1 Carbine - converted into an XM177 Lookalike for the film ''[[The Dogs of War]]''  - 5.56mm]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-71978.jpg|thumb|601px|none|One of the quarry thugs firing at Kaminsky's car with a CAR-15-type gun.]]
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[[Image:RawDeal 004.jpg|thumb|601px|none|Kaminsky fires the Sporter in the casino shootout.]]
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[[Image:RD 324.jpg|thumb|601px|none|Marvin Baxter ([[Joe Regalbuto]]) grabs a discarded Sporter when he sees Kaminsky coming towards him.]]
  
 
==M14 Rifle==
 
==M14 Rifle==
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Another mob hitman is seen sniping with a semi-automatic rifle fitted with a suppressor and scope. This is either a military [[M14 Rifle|M14]], or (more likely) an M1A, the semi-automatic civilian version of the M14 (manufactured by several manufacturers over the years, but the term M1A is copyrighted to Springfield Armory. Other makers of the Semi-auto M14 rifle are Federal Ordnance, Fulton Armory, Rock Island Armory and Norinco/Poly Technologies of China.)
  
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Another mobster is seen sniping with a semi-automatic rifle fitted with a suppressor and scope. This is either a military [[M14 Rifle|M14]], or (more likely) an M1A, the semi-automatic civilian version of the M14 (manufactured by several manufacturers over the years, but the term M1A is copyrighted to Springfield Armory.  Other makers of the Semiauto M14 rifle are Federal Ordnance, Fulton Armory, Rock Island Armory and Norinco/Poly Technologies of China.)
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[[File:Hudson M14 with scope.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Hudson M14 with riflescope.]]
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[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
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[[File:M14 Steel Scope Mount.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle with Sadlak Industries Steel scope mount - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-63836.jpg|thumb|800px|none|A mobster sniping with a scoped and suppressed M14 (or M1A).]]
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-63836.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A mob hitman sniping with a scoped and suppressed M14 (or M1A).]]
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==Various unknown revolvers==
 
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All of the handguns which appear in ''Raw Deal'' are revolvers, and I'm sorry to say that I don't know a whole lot about revolvers (if you're my age, they're just inherently less interesting than the high-capacity semi-autos that have been featured in action movies since the late-80s). So, here are lots of screenshots showing off the various wheel guns seen in the movie. Feel free to identify them and sort them out.
 
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''I remember reading an article in "Combat handguns", written by Jerry Ahern, when the movie was first released, where he mentioned that a Charter Arms Bulldog was used in the movie, but I am not able to identify it in these pics.''
 
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:''I think the Charter Arms Bulldog might be Patrovita's gun, seen in the 5th and 6th screenshots.''
 
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-61959.jpg|thumb|800px|none|...]]
 
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-62404.jpg|thumb|800px|none|More S&W M29s?]]
 
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Raw Deal (1986)

Raw Deal is a 1986 action film starring Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mark Kaminsky, a disgraced former FBI agent who is given a chance to go undercover as a mobster in order to find the government mole who was responsible for leaking information that led to the death of a witness and several FBI agents, one of which also happened to be the son of Kaminsky's friend, retired FBI Senior Agent Harry Shannon (Darren McGavin). Raw Deal was helmed by British director John Irvin, whose other works include The Dogs of War and Hamburger Hill. Raw Deal was Schwarzenegger's next film to capitalize on his hit movie Commando (1985), however it was only a moderate commercial success, owing a lot to the previous hit movie for its ticket sales. In Schwarzenegger's filmography, it is considered one of the action star's weaker films, despite the presence of several veteran actors and actresses in supporting roles and achieving a sort of cult film status for its quirky lines and action sequences. Not to be confused with the 1948 crime drama or the 1977 Western of the same name.


The following weapons were used in the film Raw Deal (1986):


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Submachine Guns

Heckler & Koch HK94

In the climax of the film, Mark Kaminsky (Arnold Schwarzenegger) goes to his hotel room and unpacks an arsenal of weapons hidden in a storage bag for his suit. One of the weapons is a Heckler & Koch HK94 semi-automatic carbine, the civilian version of the famous MP5. His gun is the A3 model, which has a collapsible stock, as well as a ventilated barrel shroud, and a vertical fore grip mounted just to the front and slightly below the main sight. When he carries out his assault at the mine and later on Patrovita's hideout, the weapon is fired on full-auto, suggesting that it was converted by a Class III manufacturer to a legal full auto gun for the film. One detail that also reveals the conversion of a Semi auto carbine into a full auto gun is the lack of a paddle release for the magazine (which was standard on all original MP5s). It takes some fitting and the acquisition of a replacement H&K paddle, and many armorers just didn't bother.

Schwarzenegger is also seen brandishing this same weapon (or perhaps another, identical weapon) in publicity images and on the poster for the movie, seen above, albeit with no magazine loaded in the gun. A notable goof is that the weapon has the "slimline"-type handguard when Kaminsky is seen loading it in his hotel room, but for the rest of the film, it has the "tropical" or "wide"-type handguard.

Heckler & Koch HK94A3 with barrel shroud & "tropical" handguard.
Publicity image of Arnold Schwarzenegger holding the HK94 (sans magazine).
Kaminsky slaps a magazine into his HK94. Note the "slimline"-type handguard.
Kaminsky driving through the quarry, popping bad guys with his HK94 on full-auto. His HK94 now has the "tropical" handguard.
He doesn't seem to have a problem firing the HK94 with only one hand, as demonstrated here.

International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol

An International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol is used by Kaminski during the casino shootout. The International Ordance MP2 had a front grip that doubled as an extra mag holder. This portion has evidently been removed for the film. The pistol is basically a shortened STEN tube with a magwell/pistol grip very similar to that of an M-11/9mm smg. The muzzle brake aids with control on full auto fire mode, especially helpful when the foregrip was removed.

International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol, 9x19mm Parabellum
International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol, 9x19mm Parabellum
Kaminsky loads a magazine into his MP2.
An extreme close-up of the machine pistol as he puts it back in the bag.
Kaminsky grabs the machine pistol before using it to shoot out the windshield of his car.
Kaminsky opens fire on the mobsters with his MP2.

(Fake) Uzi (MAC-10)

The mobsters are also seen wielding submachine guns that might appear at first to be Uzis (some with fixed wooden buttstocks, others with folding stocks). However, a close-inspection of the receivers reveals that they are actually MAC-10s that have been visually modified to resemble the Uzi, fitted with Uzi barrels, front and rear sights, forward grips, and stocks. These exact same prop weapons also appear in several other Hollywood movies, including The Dogs of War, The Killer Elite (1975) and Stripes.

IMI Uzi with detachable wood buttstock (early model with straight comb) - 9x19mm
An unmodified Ingram MAC-10 open bolt submachine gun - 9x19mm

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In the opening hit on a mob witness, a mobster opens fire with the MAC-10 mocked up to resemble the Uzi. This particular weapon is fitted with a fixed stock.
A close-up of the same mobster's "Uzi".
When a bus pulls up and opens fire on Patrovita and his bodyguards, the distinctive barrel and forward grip of the fake Uzi is seen as one of the machine guns.
In the final casino shootout, Kaminski uses the mock Uzi. His "Uzi" is fitted with the adjustable stock.
Kaminski fires the mock Uzi.

MAC-10

One of Petrovita's soldiers fires on Kaminski with an actual MAC-10 in the final casino shootout.

MAC-10 - .45 ACP

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The mobster on the left opens fire on Kaminsky with his MAC-10.

Revolvers

Dan Wesson Model 15

One of the other weapons which Kaminsky has in his suit storage bag is a Dan Wesson Model 15 revolver. Most notably, he uses the weapon to kill the driver of a huge off-road dump truck who is trying to run him down while he's holed up in a trailer.

Dan Wesson Model 15 - .357 Magnum
Kaminsky checks the load in his Dan Wesson revolver
Raising his Dan Wesson revolver with one hand, Kaminsky prepares to finish off the truck driver.

Dan Wesson Model 15-VH

Several Patrovita soldiers use Dan Wesson Model 15 in the final shootout with Kaminsky.

Dan Wesson Revolver Model 15-VH - .357 Magnum
One of Patrovita's soldiers (Sven-Ole Thorsen) gets ready to take on Kaminsky with his Dan Wesson revolver.
A Patrovita soldier fires his Dan Wesson. His handgun has a squared lug which is a characteristic of Dan Wesson revolvers.

Smith & Wesson Model 10HB

One of Patrovita's soldiers fires a Smith & Wesson Model 10HB.

Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB (heavy barrel) revolver (Post 1950s Model) - .38 Special. Later incarnations of the Model 10 had a non-tapered heavy barrel, which leads it to be commonly mistaken for a .357 revolver.
A Patrovita soldier fires his S&W.

Colt Detective Special

FBI Special Agent Harry Shannon (Darren McGavin) carries a Colt Detective Special - Post 1972 when he's ambushed by Max Keller (Robert Davi). IT appears that Harry is carrying a Colt Detective Special with the 3 inch barrel.

Colt Detective Special 3rd Gen - .38 Special with 3 inch barrel
FBI Special Agent Harry Shannon (Darren McGavin) pulls a Colt Detective Special when he's ambushed by Keller and his men.
Harry hits the ground with his Colt after he's wounded in the ambush.

Smith & Wesson Model 15

A Smith & Wesson Model 15 is held by one of Patrovita's soldiers during the Chicago PD raid on a hideout.

Smith & Wesson Model 15 .38 Special
A Smith & Wesson Model 15 is held by one of Patrovita's soldiers during the Chicago PD raid on a hideout.

Smith & Wesson Model 15 (Snub)

FBI Special Agent Blair Shannon (Steve Holt) is seen holding a Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub in the beginning of the film. At the end, Kaminsky takes a S&W off the floor and gives it to Baxter (Joe Regalbuto), telling him to "resign or be prosecuted". Chicago cop Baker (Ed Lauter) also carries a Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub during the apartment raid on Petrovita's men.

Smith & Wesson Model 15 with a 2 inch barrel
FBI Special Agent Blair Shannon (Steve Holt) is seen holding a Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub in the beginning of the film.
The revolver seen on the casino floor.
"Resign or be prosecuted. Any way you want it." Kaminsky takes a S&W off the floor and gives it to Baxter.
Baxter (Joe Regalbuto) holds the S&W.
Baker (Ed Lauter) draws his S&W on Patrovita's men.

Smith & Wesson Model 64

Patrovita (Sam Wanamaker) uses a snub-nosed Smith & Wesson Model 64 in the final casino shootout.

Smith & Wesson Model 64 Snub Nose - .38 Special This is the early variant.
Patrovita (Sam Wanamaker) and his soldiers prepare to take on Kaminsky.
Patrovita is on the left side with his Smith & Wesson.
A closeup of Patrovita's stainless Smith & Wesson Model 64.

Charter Arms Off Duty

A female Chicago undercover cop surprises a Patrovita lookout by drawing a Charter Arms Off Duty revolver on him. It could either be the undercover, or the off duty.

Charter Arms - .38 Special
The female undercover cop pulls her Charter Arms.
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Astra 357

Kaminsky uses a 3-inch barreled Astra 357 in some scenes of the movie.

Astra 357, 3" barrel - .357 Magnum
An Astra 357 with a 3 inch barrel is pulled out by Kaminsky. Note the shape of the hammer and the rounded front of the frame, different of the square frame of the S&W N-frame
The Astra 357. is pulled on the limo driver. Note the distinctive shape of the hammer

Pistols

Colt M1911A1

A stainless Colt M1911A1 is held by one of the Chicago police officers during the raid on the Patrovita hideout.

Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP
On the far right, the officer in red holds the pistol.

Shotguns

Mossberg 500AT

The last weapon in Kaminsky's weapons cache is a Mossberg 500AT shotgun fitted with a riot barrel with a heavy choke and a pistol grip. This is likely the same shotgun used in Code of Silence.

Mossberg 500AT Shotgun with pistol grip and heavy choke - 12 gauge
Kaminsky (Arnold Schwarzenegger) works the action on his Mossberg 500AT.
Kaminsky's Mossberg 500AT Shotgun cocked and ready for action.
Kaminsky uses his Mossberg to take out Patrovita.

Mossberg 500

What appears to be a Mossberg 500 shotgun is carried by one of the Chicago police officers during the raid on a Patrovita hideout.

Mossberg 500AT Shotgun - 12 gauge. Note the wood furniture.
The shotgun held by the officer during the raid.

12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun

One of the mob hitmen at the film's beginning uses a 12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun to eliminate one of the FBI agents. A sawed off double barreled is used during the attempt on Harry's life.

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One of the mob hitmen at the film's beginning uses a 12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun.
A sawed off double barreled is used during the attempt on Harry's life.

Rifles / Carbines

MGC Replica M16

Among the weapons carried throughout the film by the mobsters are MGC M16 assault rifles - identifiable by the fact that they don't fire and they have the fake forward assist and upside down three pronged flash hider.

The MGC M16 Assault rifle: a non-firing metal replica built by the Model Gun Corp of Japan and one of the most used non-firing replicas of the M16 in movies and television.
One of the thugs at the mine brandishing an MGC M16 replica, identifiable by the fake forward assist and upside down three-pronged flash hider.

M16A1

When the Patrovita guard fires on Kaminsky, the MGC is changed out for an M16A1.

M16A1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.
The same thug aims his M16A1 at Kaminsky's car.
The same thug fires at Kaminsky's car. Note that the MGC is changed out for an M16A1 as the shells are seen ejecting from the side.

(Fake) XM177

The mobsters are also frequently seen using some type of CAR-15 variation that appears to resemble an XM177, but it's actually a converted AR15 SP1 carbine made to look like an XM177. These are the same guns seen in The Dogs of War (Special Effects Unlimited, the company which supplied weapons for that film, were also the armorers on this film).

Late 1970s model AR15 Sporter 1 Carbine - converted into an XM177 Lookalike for the film The Dogs of War - 5.56mm
One of the quarry thugs firing at Kaminsky's car with a CAR-15-type gun.
Kaminsky fires the Sporter in the casino shootout.
Marvin Baxter (Joe Regalbuto) grabs a discarded Sporter when he sees Kaminsky coming towards him.

M14 Rifle

Another mob hitman is seen sniping with a semi-automatic rifle fitted with a suppressor and scope. This is either a military M14, or (more likely) an M1A, the semi-automatic civilian version of the M14 (manufactured by several manufacturers over the years, but the term M1A is copyrighted to Springfield Armory. Other makers of the Semi-auto M14 rifle are Federal Ordnance, Fulton Armory, Rock Island Armory and Norinco/Poly Technologies of China.)

Hudson M14 with riflescope.
M14 rifle with Sadlak Industries Steel scope mount - 7.62x51mm NATO
A mob hitman sniping with a scoped and suppressed M14 (or M1A).
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