Talk:Trespass (1992)

The 1911

It has Pachmyr grips, the rear sights match the AMT's exactly, and the slide is 6" with non-venitalted barrel ribbing. I'll try to match it. - Gunmaster45

What's weird is that in terms of its styling, it looks like a very old 1911, yet who was offering longslide 1911s before about 30 years ago? This might be something that was custom-built by the movie's armorer. -MT2008

If it is a custom gun built by the armorer, don't rule out the Hardballer. The slide could have been bead-blasted and blued. - Gunmaster45

Yeah, but that seems like kind of a weird modification to make. I can't think of any reason anyone would do that. Also note that the trigger is a standard M1911A1-style, not the longer trigger of the Hardballer. -MT2008

Not really. By remaking it blue, it makes it look more classic. And triggers can be swapped out easily enough. If someone was making a custom gun in an attempt to make it look classic, they'd most likely swap out the triggers for something more simple. - Gunmaster45

Look below who is back in Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot. The famous 1911 long slide. And both films are filmed in the 1992... --Charly Driver 17:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, Charly. And you're right; it may be the exact same gun in both movies (if it is from the same armory). Only problem is, it's not an AMT, so we still don't know the brand. -MT2008 01:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I think that at this point (15 years after I originally started this page), my best guess as to the identity of this weapon is that it's an AMT Hardballer that was re-finished by a gunsmith, as GunMaster45 and I agreed at the time. I have concluded that the gun is a refinished AMT Hardballer based on the following details (most of which were pointed out by GM45 at the time):

• The front sight and target rear sight are both definitely AMT-style, and built into the slide via reinforced ribbing - this is clearly visible in the last screencap that we have on the page. That's the most obvious visual sign that this gun started out as a factory AMT Hardballer and not something else.
• In the early-1990s, nobody else was making 7" 1911 slides besides AMT. Long slide 1911 makers such as Caspian Arms and Safari Arms were in business then, but at the time, they had not yet started to make slides in that length, based on my research. I considered the possibility that it might have started out as a regular 1911 that had its slide cut in half and then extended, similar to what was done to Dash Mihok's Taurus PT99/"Sword 9mm Seires S" in Romeo + Juliet (which has a slide that is at least an inch longer than factory length), but without nickel plating (which was done to the Sword 9mm), it would be pretty hard to hit the finish difference resulting from the extension, so I think that's unlikely.
• The slide release appears to be stainless, which suggests that whatever gunsmith did the work on the gun blued only the slide and frame, but not the controls. Likely: He was working on a short timeline to get the weapon ready for production use.

It is worth pointing out is that the frame of the gun lacks many features found on the Hardballer series - namely, it lacks a match-style trigger and extended thumb and beavertail grip safeties, and Pachmyr rubber grips instead of AMT grips. However, a plausible explanation is that the armorer simply replaced those features while the gun was disassembled for its re-bluing with stock 1911 trigger and safeties (but apparently didn't do the same for the slide release, which was left as-is, finish and all). It's pretty clear that they wanted this gun to have a long slide but otherwise look more like an older-style 1911, so replacing those controls would have been consistent with the overall design goal for the pistol. -MT2008 (talk) 20:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

The Long-Slide Gun

The gun could be a Western Arms Colt Hoag long-slide. 71.200.27.204 11:31, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Western Arms is an airsoft gun maker; this is definitely not an airsoft gun, if that's what you're implying (I'm not even sure Western Arms made 1911 replicas back then, anyway). I did consider that this gun might have been a custom 1911 made by Jim Hoag (a real one, not airsoft), but I don't know when Jim Hoag started doing long slides. Anyway: The big give-away that this is an AMT Hardballer is the distinctive ribbing on top of the slide, which is also how the rear sight mounts to the gun. Jim Hoag 1911s don't have that style slide; only AMTs do. Also, the possibility that this gun was a Hoag custom job was discussed on the Colt forums many years ago, and they, too, rejected that idea. -MT2008 (talk) 20:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

The AR-15s

The barrels look a little bit too thick (from the front sight base to the muzzle) for the guns to be the AR-15 Sporter-II, or even early AR-15 A2s (side note: both the early SPIIs and A2s had the 20" A1-profile barrel, and were functionally almost identical). Without looking under the hand guards, we won't be able to tell exactly what barrel type they are, but they're either A2 Government-profile barrels or the HBAR "heavy" barrels. My research on Colt guns suggest that all AR-15 A2 "Government" model guns, which had the Gov-profile barrel, came with either A2 or A1E1 upper receivers, while the AR-15 A2 HBAR models featured either A1 uppers (early days), or A1E1 or A2 upper receivers (and then in the early-90s, Colt started offering its flattop uppers as an option - same flattop that was then used for the M4/M4A1). All this to say: My hunch is that these guns are actually early AR-15 A2 HBAR models. -MT2008 (talk) 17:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)