Talk:Death Sentence

1911 or 1991?

Stop changing this back to a straight 1911, it's a 1991, the slide markings and gun build show that.

No, your wrong there, is no such thing as a 1991, a 1911 made in 1991 is still a 1911.

You're wrong. There are different models of the 1911, so there are different names for those models. You can't just call them all one name because they originated from that one model.

Colt made the M1991A1 picking up from the serial number of the last 1911s they had made. The gun Kevin Bacon uses is very clearly a M-1991A1. It is very obvious in the scene in the shed. The 1991 grips were black polymer with the Colt logo in the middle. Check it and see.

Exactly! Thank You!

You are still wrong, I realize that there are many models of 1911. But they are still 1911's weather Colt, Springfield, or even Sig makes them. Colt had several models but NONE OF THEM were ever called "1991" BOO YAH!

You are ALL wrong. First, Colt DID make a M1991A1, and it had black RUBBER grips with the Colt logo in the center, not plastic polymer. Second, Several 1911 variants have black grips, even if only ones made by Colt have the Colt logo, that black grip was not exclusive to the 1991. Third and most important, This is NOT a M1991A1. you can see that if you pause it almost anytime when the thug has it on the garage roof scene, as well as in the final gunfight right after Kevin Bacon kills the black dude. Yes boys, this was a movie set, not real life, so they recycle props. It's the same gun both times. Both times you get a good look at the slide and it DOES NOT read M1991A1. Lets give this one a rest

Colt 1991 pistol: http://www.proguns.com/colt-1991series.asp

• Can we have some screencaps of this? This discussion is pretty interesting to me.

The rollmarks on the 1991A1 Colt's are very large, on the screencaps I took I didn't see it. So I went with 1911. Most likely some off brand. --Predator20 02:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

1911

Pump shotgun help

I though this was a Winchester 1200, but it has a rounded bolt. The receiver is closest to a Stevens 67, but the magazine tube end isn't the same. I got tired of looking. --Predator20 02:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Possible misquote?

There is a screencapped picture of Bones holding the Desert Eagle. Underneath it says: "...half cannon." I could've sworn he said "Hand cannon." That would make more sense IMO.

The way John Goodman ("Fred Flintstone" in another movie) pronounces it "half cannon," actually. Maybe the script originally meant for Goodman to say "Half cannon, half sword of justice!"--Mazryonh 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Nick's weapons choices

All in all, what is the general opinion on the guns Nick opts for. Here's what I think:

Rossi Overlander-Not a very good choice, because of the slow reload time. Although, it is shown that Nick is relatively unfamiliar with firearms, so the simplicity may have been why he chose it.

1911-Good. All-around solid gun.

Colt Python-I believe picked more for intimidation than combat use. Nick like that the gun was big and scary looking.

What do y'all think?

My real question is why he didn't go to a gun show and get some real firepower. There's plenty of firepower to be had there, without many people asking questions, like Maadi ARMs. The Overland shotgun is a bit cumbersome, optimized for hunting animals and not for shooting other people when they're filling you full of holes while you're trying to reload, so I think it was purely an aesthetic choice on the Director's part, so the viewers could see the intimidating sight of a long gun with the constant sound of Nick loading it and racking it closed. But if the gang members could get pump action shotguns, why not Nick?

The Colt M1911 is good as a backup weapon, but sometimes I wonder if it's a double-stack variant given how many times he fired without reloading during the final gunfight. For practicality reasons, maybe he should have gotten a 9x19mm firearm loaded with JHPs instead for a "last ditch weapon." I can only see FMJ bullets in the screenshots. --Mazryonh 22:43, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

You're showing your Britishness again. (1.) The Maadi ARM has not been imported to the U.S. for over 20 years, so unless you stumble upon an (over-priced) pre-89 example, you're not gonna find them, (2.) FFLs at gun shows are subject to the same regulations that apply anywhere. -MT2008 22:54, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

"You're showing your Britishness again." Yes he is. There is no gun show loophole, if you've been to one you'd know. I have been to several gun shows. It's usually about 90 to 95% dealers that are subject to paperwork. Very few individuals. Nick did not have a record and could have easily went into a gun store and bought what he needed no problem, but he needed them right then. About Nick's weapon choices I guess the double barrel was chosen because that might have been what he hunted with years before and knew how to operate. He had a hard time figuring out the 1911 and Python. He could have picked up the 870 off Baggy, but didn't because he didn't know to use it most likely. The 1911 was a single stack with the reloading cut out, like they do in most films. He is seen reloading it in the stairwell though.--Predator20 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not British, and I don't want to muck up this discussion page about gun control--there's a thread in the forums about that. But regardless of my inexperience with gun show minutiae, I think Nick could definitely have gotten a bigger variety of weaponry more suited to his vendetta at a gun show, and possibly at more competitive prices rather than just one questionable person who could command his prices (at a marketplace, if someone isn't offering you a product at the price you want, you can always go to someone else). I do suppose that the director wanted that moment of tension when Goodman's character asked Nick whether he was after Billy, though. --Mazryonh 23:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

You're not British? Aussie then? The "minutiae" about gun shows that you speak of is no trivial matter. I'd rather you didn't promote ignorance of American gun laws on here, especially since you've already admitted your lack of experience with real guns on our forum (whereas Predator and I actually own and shoot guns in real life, not just in video games).

Anyway, Nick most likely didn't go to a gun show because (1.) he probably didn't intend to get caught, in which case, legally-purchased firearms would have been all too easy to trace, and (2.) he might have lived in a city or state with waiting periods and/or registration, in which case, again, going to a gun show is less ideal than going to an illegal arms dealer. Bones Darley obviously had a pretty good variety of weapons in the safe (including automatics), so actually, Nick was probably better going to him, anyway. And given that he's trying to avenge his family, I highly doubt he cared about money (as evidenced by the extra cash he gave Bones). -MT2008 00:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

A question, then: Why'd he take the DB and not, for example, the Cobray streetsweeper next to it?

Revenge is the best ammunition . . .

Because according to this movie it can make a shotgun shell blow off someone's leg (partly believable if Kevin Bacon's character was using shotgun slugs instead), blow that same person five feet away (which violates the laws of physics), and let you fire a 7 or 8 shot pistol 15+(!) times without having to reload. Also, it lets you cut a van in half with your muscle car.

Sure, it's "artistic license." But still, there were other ways, less implausible ways to accomplish some of that stuff in the final gunfight in "the Office." If Nick had realistically incapacitated the van driver by crushing the door in with his own car, he could have taken the van driver's MAC-10 and could use it for some "suppression fire" while running from one side of the gang's Drug Lab to another. He could have taken Hecto's pistol and searched for any ammunition in his residence for some more suppression fire capability before resorting to his own M1911A1. Anyone have thoughts on this? --Mazryonh 23:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

The only logic I can think of is that Nick wasn't thinking straight. He wasn't going to pause and pickup ammo. He was so hell-bent on killing Billy .

Also, where Nick blows the man's leg off, I can understand the second shot making him fall over (since he'd be off balance.) But not blasting him through the air.

The movie is awesome, who really cares? - ZeoRanger5