Talk:Miami Vice (2006)

Why is a picture of the S&W Sigma listed under the S&W 99?

A S&W Sigma is not the S&W 99 and does not even appear in the movie.

The OA-93

The picture on the left is an OA93 while the picture on the right is someone who is most likely using a K23. The biggest noticeable difference is that the K23 has a buffer tube on the end, in the OA93, the charging handle and recoil buffer are both integrated into a flat top upper receiver eliminating the need for a buttstock or a buffer tube

It's not a K23; otherwise, it would have a regular triangular AR front sight, which it clearly doesn't in this movie. If you read our OA-93 page, MoviePropMaster explains that many of the OA-93s seen in Hollywood films have had buffer tubes installed by the armorers because it's necessary in order to make them function reliably with blanks. -MT2008 18:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

From what I can see, it is a K23, yes the OA-93 has been modified by armorers so that they have the ability to fire blanks, but this is not one of those conversions. First, the gas return system uses a standard gas tube connected by a low profile gas block, which is why there is no standard front sight post. On a OA-93 there should be a return tube located above the handguard leading back to the upper receiver. Second, the charging handle on a regular OA-93 is a side charging handle raised above the upper receiver, the charging handle on this weapon is a standard charging handle located within the upper receiver. I'm not new to AR-15s, try consulting with others who may know more before dismissing other peoples opinions.

First of all, I don't like your tone. There is no need for such hostility, and furthermore, the evidence you cited originally to prove it's a K23 was vague enough that I felt compelled to point out something you might not have known. Second, every K23 I have seen - either the LEO full-auto carbine or the more recent civilian pistol versions - had a regular AR front sight post. The gun in this movie does not, so unless it was specially modified, I just don't see how it's a a K23. You are right that it does have a regular AR charging handle, which the OA-93 doesn't have. Third, looking closely, I realize I failed to notice that the receiver of the gun seems to have no forward assist or brass deflector - characteristic of both the OA-93 and K23. I now suspect it may be a Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistol instead.

After watching the whole finale shoot out at least seven times in HD, and looking at as many pictures of the RMA patriot as i could. i am almost certain that it is a patriot that has been fitted with a collapsable stock, and a C - More red dot sight. what perplexed me was the raised rail on the upper reciever. i did not know too much about the patriot pistol. but if someone who knows more about the patriot wants to watch the shoot out, i think they will find that it is a patriot. and the the "ruger mini 14" does not look to be a shotgun, but a rifle based on the width of the mag.

Just to add come conjecture to this- I don't think what is listed as an OA-93 in the page is actually an OA-93. It has the raised top rail caracteristic of the OA-93, However is lacking the main element that makes an OA-93- the recoil spring mounted above the barrel. Also missing is the Charging handle unique to the OA-93, mounted above the receiver in-between the rail and receiver. As someone has mentioned above, I believe it is a Rocky mountain arms patriot pistol, fitted with a full stock tube and a carbine stock. And the c-more tactical sight ofc. I have some Hires screencaps from a Blu-ray of the movie and some pics of the Rocky patriot, if no-one minds me updating the article? Also, I belive that an OA-93 does actually appear in the movie, but in the hands of one of Tubbs and crockets team in the final shootout- the dude who gets shot in the leg while moving between cover.

The weapons in question are Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistols. These are the same pistols that were used on 3000 Miles to Graceland as the same armory supplied weapons to both shows. -Phoenixent 16:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, definitely. The 'high-rise' rail on the upper is the giveaway. Zito carries a (visually) unmodified OA-93 (only seen clearly in a few frames), so it seems odd that some guns would be modified for function (in this movie) but not others (perhaps they figured out how to run them).