Talk:Splinter Cell: Conviction

Gameplay

is it just me or has sam fisher rapidly turned younger since double agent--92.0.235.181 10:42, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

It's not just you, Sam has changed and not in a good way. The new development team have thrown the traditional Tom Clancy values out the window in favour of a more Hollywood-style approach. 203.206.5.121 14:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

i played the demo and really didnt like the new direction.it was challenging aiming for thehead from a shadowy position but now all you have to do is press RB and y and it selects the targets and kills them. not stealthy.--Smish34 20:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Not true. The old games' aiming system was terrible. You could have a perfect shot set up and still miss. Plus, M&E requires a hand-to-hand takedown. The demo was set up to give you them, but the full game will have different layouts and more hostiles. Plus, M&E still requires you to know what you're doing; taking down people in plain view/well-lit areas will result in you getting spotted or alerting the guards. Finally, the best argument: "You don't have to use it." --Chris_Hun7er 02:15, 26 March, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll jump in. I won't comment on much of the gameplay, save to say that I like some things and dislike others but ultimately I can't change any of it. What I want to ask is if anybody else can't stand the way they tilt their guns diagonally. I mean, it looks kind of cool in that it's different and supposedly done by the best of the best, but after holding a gun that way it's just distracting to see it because I can't imagine shooting very accurately like that. -- ZG

Look up Center Axis Relock. It is a shooting style that basically allows you to put a lot of lead downrange in a short amount of time and to keep possession of your handgun, rifle, shotgun, etc. in CQC. Not exactly helpful in SCC, but it's a real shooting style. --Chris_Hun7er 06:30, 29 March, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the info, Chris. I feel like such an idiot now. If I'd just watched the developer diary I wouldn't have had to ask about it. Been checking out the CAR system, seems a little strange to me, but I can be a purist in many ways sometimes. Guess I'd have to try it to see if it helps throw lead faster. -- ZG

"You don't have to use it!" is the worst argument I've ever heard.

Splinter Cell: Conviction is a huge failure and a disgrace to the Tom Clancy name. 203.161.84.114 13:35, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Tom Clancy has absolutely nothing to do with these games, y'know. It's a brand, it's slapped on there so more people buy it. As for the change in this game's content, blame the new content director they brought in, who was dissatisfied with Sam being so old and slow, and wanted the game to go faster. Also blame the consumer who got their panties in a bunch over the original concept and not wanting they're precious Sam Fisher to have a goddamn beard and some hair.

Tom Clancy used to be involved with these video games, although I don't know where the hell he has been in recent times. Also, I do blame Creative Director Maxime Béland who thought that Sam was a "grandma" and wanted him to be like James Bond, Jason Bourne, and Jack Bauer who "run fast, they don’t make noise, they kill one, two, three or four guys super quickly". The consumers who didn't like "Hobo Sam" (as dubbed by them) can go #### themselves. After Double Agent, Sam was up the creek without a paddle and on the run from the people he used to work for because they thought he was a terrorist. Sam Fisher was a 53-year-old war veteran and former black ops agent who lost his daughter to a drunk driver and was forced to murder his best friend in order to keep his cover so that he could stop John Brown's Army from unleashing Red Mercury upon America. Now, Ubisoft Montreal have turned him into a Jack Bauer rip-off who can burst into a room and kill four men with headshots from a pistol before their bodies have time to hit the ground. 203.206.52.65 12:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, whether Tom Clancy is involved or not is irrelevant, this game still shames the Clancy brand it's marketed under. It's a good game in its own right, but as a Splinter Cell game, it's a disgrace. You can't move and hide the body after you've dispatched an enemy, you can't knock on a wall to draw a troublesome enemy over, you can't pick up and throw objects to distract enemies, and I hate who they've made Grim into. I liked it better when she was on the radio, teasing Sam about his age and stuff like that. She's kind of a bitch now and, as troubling as this might sound, it makes me enjoy watching Sam knock her around. Even the female terrorist leaders in SOCOM II didn't garner this much resentment from me. Spartan198 07:16, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

USP

I was playing the demo on the Xbox 360 and I went into the Options menu and I noticed a H&K USP (Unknown caliber.) (Guy in the background holding it with one hand) Can anyone double check for me? (I don't own a Xbox 360 so I can not confirm it myself but I was playing it at a friend's house.) Hoot471 22:13, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

It can be the Mk 23, which is based on the Heckler & Koch USP.--SB2296 07:31, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

That's what I thought as well. But I didn't see any threaded barrel on it. Hoot471 10:32, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Then it is an USP. We get to see such weapons that are not in the game in the main menu, cover art,etc.--SB2296 10:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Guys, I was watching a live stream and I can't prove it, but there is a USP. It is under the Desert Eagle (which makes the USP in the lower-right hand corner) in the Weapons Stash and is called the "USP .45" --Chris_Hun7er 07:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Five-seveN

Not referred to as the F.M.P whatever in the game, so I removed that from the subtitle of the in-game picture. --24.63.181.248 21:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that the "FMP8" was the beta name for the Five-seveN (much like how the "SMG-2" was the pre-release name of the SR-2M Veresk). 124.169.217.190 04:53, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Identifying a handgun featured in a teaser for the '07 build of Splinter Cell: Conviction

Would someone please be kind enough to identify the pistol that Sam is holding in this picture? It's from the '07 Conviction build so it's not wiki-worthy, but I am curious to know what it actually is. Thanks. 203.206.52.65 10:35, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6594/ssplintercellconviction.png

Desert Eagle? Hoot471 10:49, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Profile spells SIG to me. Spartan198 04:43, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Looks like a Desert Eagle to me. Ramell 14:24, 28 May 2010 (CEST)

Looks too small to be a Desert Eagle to me. Spartan198 14:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Kinda looks like a 1911 to me 208.66.9.130 00:54, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help people, it is kind of hard to identify the gun from what little we see of it (although I am pretty sure that it is not a IWI Desert Eagle). I was just curious, because concept art of '07 ConViction depicts Sam holding a Heckler & Koch MP7 personal defense weapon and gameplay of ConViction displays Sam shooting a hot dog stand with a Heckler & Koch MP5 submachine gun. I thought that it might have been a Heckler & Koch pistol, although from the wide range of comments it could be almost anything. If anybody else wants to add their own two cents, please do. 124.169.227.214 02:15, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I asked a guy on Yahoo! Answers and he said it looked like a 1911 to him. Thoughts? Cyrus 03:12, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

No, it's a very thin Desert Eagle, look at the back of the slide, that and no ejection port on the side.Kornflakes89 05:02, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

Wierd sight

Has anyone else noticed that the 'scope' upgrade on a couple of the weapons (the MP5SD-N1 and G36C if I remember correctly), are really M68 Aimpoints mounted backwards? Jimmoy 11:52, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

People Please

keep the discussion for the DISCUSSION page, i saw two people venting their input on a promotional posters drawing of the 5-7's caliber, if you wish got go on i will leave it here oh, and I took the chance to cleen up this page. (without deleting anything) scarecrow 12:22, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Your not a mod, its not your job.--FIVETWOSEVEN 15:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

its a wiki...and heaps of people move/delete entry's for no reason, at least im not a complete ass and delete everything.scarecrow 09:33, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Note: If you look at the cover/promotional art for the game, the Five-Seven Sam is holding has a barrel diameter that is way too big for the 5.7mm. It looks more like a a barrel for a .45 acp -Indyfan Its not, its the Poorly rendered muzzle with the slide around it. It isn't made to look like its a .45 ACP.

Why do people think the AK74U is an SMG?

I had to move it back to the Assault Rifle section. Just because it has a short barrel, doesn't mean it's a submachine gun. SMGs fire only pistol ammo. Even when a specialized Assault Rifle is called one, it technically really isn't Excalibur01 16:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Blame video games >_>--FIVETWOSEVEN 18:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

And it's AKS-74U. -_- Spartan198 19:51, 21 March 2011 (CDT)

No, blame Call of Duty, that's pretty much the only game that calls it an AK-74U, and ranks it as an SMG.Kornflakes89 05:04, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

P228

Are we sure it's a P228 and not a 226? Sure, the default magazine capacity is 13 rounds like the 228, but it looks too big in Sam's/Archer's/Kestral's hands to be a 228. Spartan198 20:16, 22 March 2011 (CDT)

It is called the "P228" and it doesn't stick out enough at the front of the slide/frame to be a 226. It does look big but if you have seen the size of the P99 in there hands it looks huge aswell. I have to admit though it does stick out more than what it should not enough to be a 226 but possibly a 225

yeah its definately a P226R. either they accidently wrote it in as a P228 during developement or they made a mistake somehow?? could be a .40 caliber as it has a 13 round magazine or again it could be another mistake.

The P226 in .40S&W and .357SIG variants have 12 round mags. --HashiriyaR32 22:27, 19 April 2011 (CDT)

update

I made some update to the page. I removed the weapon info images, we dont need them here, this is not the SC wikia. But if you need them (or you are an admin and can delete them XD ) this is the list of the images:

Image:SCC-57.jpg
Image:SCC-MK23-2.jpg
Image:SCC-MP446.jpg
Image:SCC-P99.jpg
Image:SCC-SAVZ61-3.jpg
Image:SCC-MP7-2.jpg
Image:SCC-MP5N.jpg
Image:SCC-F2000.jpg
Image:SCC-REC7-2.jpg
Image:SCC-SCARH.jpg
Image:SCC-FAMAS-2.jpg
Image:SCC-SR3-2.jpg
Image:SCC-AK47.jpg
Image:SCC-M3-2.jpg
Image:SCC-M3icon.jpg
Image:SCC-M500-2.jpg

And I changed the F2000 to SC3000 cuz it looks different. bozitojugg3rn4ut 15:49, 29 March 2011 (CDT)

Does the SC3000 eject casings when fired? I took a closer look at the receiver, and it looks like it has a similar receiver to the MR-C caseless rifle. --HashiriyaR32 15:59, 29 March 2011 (CDT)

None of the weapons eject casings in the game (LOL) or at least I cannot see them on 1920x1080 very high setting... also the MR-C came into my mind when I first saw this gun. Its definitely not an F2000 only based on, it has a "hole" below the rail on the top. bozitojugg3rn4ut 16:24, 29 March 2011 (CDT)

Benelli M3

How i can unlock the Benelli M3 shotgun?--Flavio 12:34, 18 April 2011 (CDT)

Go to the Extras menu and then to Exclusive Content. There should be various weapons (M3, MP7A1, P99, VIKHR,...) and some uniforms and grenades. I you got the game 2-3 months after the release then they should unlock by clicking the button there. bozitojugg3rn4ut 12:51, 18 April 2011 (CDT)

Thanks.--Flavio 13:03, 18 April 2011 (CDT)

What MP5 variant is this?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/28/screenshot20110625at350.png/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/screenshot20110625at351.png/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/screenshot20110625at352.png/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/screenshot20110625at352.png/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/844/screenshot20110625at352.png/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/screenshot20110625at353.png/

I'm curious as to what variant of the MP5 submachine gun is pictured above. I've managed to identify a retractable stock from two of the split-second screen shots. Any and all help in identifying the variant is appreciated. Cyrus 03:12, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

Can anyone please help with this tank-mounted gun?

I know, I know, the model is just waaaaay too detailed.

Could be a DsHK? Kord maybe? - bozitojugg3rn4ut 14:25, 4 October 2011 (CDT)

NSV or Kord, the DShK has a diagonally slanted ammo drum mounted on the other side of the receiver. Evil Tim 14:57, 4 October 2011 (CDT)

What country is this tank+weapon in? - Mr. Wolf 18:43, 4 October 2011 (CDT)

Those smoke dischargers say Russian to me. Evil Tim 22:55, 4 October 2011 (CDT)

Here is the tank. BTW the level takes place in Russia.

And I have found a BTR too.

Shipunov 2A42 maybe? - bozitojugg3rn4ut 04:44, 5 October 2011 (CDT)

Your tank there is a T-80, which means that's an NSVT. Your BTR does indeed look like a -90 with a Shipunov 2A42. Evil Tim 05:47, 5 October 2011 (CDT)

Coool, thanks a lot. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 11:11, 5 October 2011 (CDT)

Outfit

In the 2nd picture under the USP45 section and the 4th under the SC3000 section, what is the name of the outfit?

It's a Russian outfit that you can use. Don't remember which one exactly. --DeltaOne 18:51, 14 November 2011 (CST)

Picture of Sam's SEAL team

I don't have this game (or a working 360) anymore, so I can't recall if this photo appears anywhere in the game.

This is supposed to be Sam, Vic, and their team in Iraq during the first Gulf War... yet three of them are armed with Mark 14 Mod 0 EBRs, which weren't developed until the early 2000s. Spartan198 (talk) 08:02, 24 September 2012 (EDT)

This picture does not appear in the game. I think it is a pre-release picture. The SEALs are using MP5SD's in that flashback level to the Gulf War. bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 10:09, 24 September 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, I remember them using MP5SDs (and on a side note, if anyone knows what that pistol holster/knife sheath combo thigh rig is called, please tell me), but what I couldn't remember is whether or not the picture appeared in the game anywhere. Spartan198 (talk) 02:00, 5 August 2013 (EDT)

Also the guy's using a FAMAS...a rifle no one in the US military would us, but then again in Conviction, the army guys busting into the White House all had MP5s Excalibur01 (talk) 15:23, 5 August 2013 (EDT)