Talk:FB MSBS Grot

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(2007 - 2010) Prototype: MSBS-5.56

MSBS-5.56K - 5.56x45mm. First prototype.

MSBS-5.56K - 5.56x45mm. Second prototype.

MSBS-5.56K - 5.56x45mm. Third prototype.

MSBS-5.56B - 5.56x45mm. First prototype.

MSBS-5.56B - 5.56x45mm. Second prototype.

(2010 - 2014) Prototype: MSBS-5.56 Radon

MSBS-5.56K Radon (2011 mock-up) - 5.56x45mm

MSBS-5.56B Radon 2011 design mock-up - 5.56x45mm

MSBS-5.56 Radon series; on the left, compact carbine, standard rifle, grenadier rifle, and what appear to be respectively a light support weapon (note extended magazine) and marksman rifle version. On the right, standard rifle (with some kind of muzzle device fitted), light support weapon and marksman rifle.

(2014 - 2017) Prototype: MSBS-5.56 Radon

MSBS-5.56K Radon - 5.56x45mm

MSBS-5.56B Radon - 5.56x45mm

MSBS-5.56K Radon / GP grenade launcher - 5.56x45mm / 40x46mm

(2017 - 2023) Pre-production version: FB MSBS Grot

FB MSBS Grot C16 FB-A0 - 5.56x45mm

FB MSBS Grot C16 FB-A1 - 5.56x45mm

FB MSBS Grot C16 FB-A2 - 5.56x45mm

FB MSBS Grot C16 G FB-A0 - 5.56x45mm / 40x46mm. With the original design of the GP grenade launcher.

FB MSBS Grot B16 FB-A0 - 5.56x45mm

FB MSBS Grot B10 FB-A0 - 5.56x45mm

FB MSBS Grot B16 G FB-A0 - 5.56x45mm / 40x46mm. With the original design of the GP grenade launcher.

Discussion

"Radon"

I was wondering whether we should refer to the MSBS as the "Radon". As far as I know, it was a name that won a contest hosted by a Polish magazine (can't remember which), but the creators of the rifle never referred to it as such. Officially it's still the "MSBS 5,56", with Radon being a fan-made nickname. Tanaj (talk) 09:51, 20 March 2014 (EDT)

It was "Strzal" magazine. You're right - "Radon" is not an official name for MSBS (though the contest was held with cooperation from FB Radom). Most gun magazines/portals, and FB themselves, refer to the gun as "MSBS-5,56K/B/R". "K" stays for "kolba" (stock) or "konwencjonalny" (conventional), "B" is for "bezkolbowy" (stock-less - bullpup) and "R" for "reprezentacyjny" (representational - variant for our honor guard). To add a bit of spice the 16" barrel variant of MSBS-5,56K is developed under military-funded program "MSBS", while short-barreled variant, LMG, DMR and MSBS-5,56B variants are developed under "MSBS-5,56 RAWAT" program funded by our Ministry of Science. "RAWAT" is made from words "Radom" (city of manufacturer) and "WAT" (Military Institute of Technology in Warsaw). MSBS-5,56R was private initiative of FB Radom and (oh irony!) have biggest chances to be actually fielded (our honor guards use 50 years old SKS rifles). Chris22lr (talk) 16:04, 27 August 2014 (EDT)

Jossed. Official name is GROT.--Dannyguns (talk) 06:06, 30 September 2017 (EDT)

Also appear in Crossfire

http://crossfirefps.wikia.com/wiki/MSBS-5.56 also I made some screen on my tablet, but I dont known how to upload it. --Dannyguns (talk) 06:13, 10 November 2016 (EST)

You can find Upload file in toolbox at the bottom left. IMFDB Style Guide contain useful advices on editing pages. Greg-Z (talk) 07:00, 10 November 2016 (EST)

They are PGN so it dont let me upload. But good this page got a new entry :) --Dannyguns (talk) 10:23, 7 December 2016 (EST)

Differences between MSBS and ACR

Somebody can explain me? --Dannyguns (talk) 03:59, 9 December 2016 (EST)

Internally speaking, the ACR is akin to an AR-15 while the Radon is similar to a G36, they just happen to look almost the same but one can notice the various external parts, the MSBS has a different takedown lever and placement of screws AND charging handle (ACR = on the handguard, MSBS = on the reciever).--Death Shadow20 (talk) 08:30, 9 December 2016 (EST)

Thank you. --Dannyguns (talk) 08:30, 12 December 2016 (EST)

Call of Duty's MSBS

The 3 round burst is not incorrect. Check the FB website http://fabrykabroni.pl/en/produkty/karabiny/msbs/ --Dannyguns (talk) 10:48, 14 December 2016 (EST)

you should probably post this on the CoD Chosts page and note here.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 11:01, 14 December 2016 (EST)

Chosts page and note... hail to grammar nazi lel --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 16:07, 14 December 2016 (EST)

1v1 rust me twat--AnActualAK47 (talk) 16:22, 14 December 2016 (EST)

No, here at IMFDB we only allow Fox only, no items, Final Destination. Evil Tim (talk) 17:30, 14 December 2016 (EST)

(Many years later) It's actually wrong, I'm pretty sure the MSBS doesn't have a burst setting. This was a mistake on the English version of the FB website, while the Polish version got the info right. By looking at the selector, there are only safe/semi/full-auto positions, and there's no mention of a burst mode in the MSBS manual (or at least there doesn't seem to be; I ain't gonna Google-translate the whole thing :P). Someone corrected the info on the MSBS page a while ago, though I thought I'd point that out here. --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 13:39, 5 February 2022 (EST)

Adoption

Is that gun already adopted by Polish Armed Forces apart from -R variant? --Dannyguns (talk) 05:24, 29 April 2017 (EDT)

Over complicated name...

Not only the name changed from "Radon" to "GROT", but got a over-complicated designation sistem: C,R,B : classic,representative or bullpup 10,16,20 : barrel lenght G,M,PS: if is configurated as "grenadier",IAR or marksman rifle. FB: name of manufacturer Mx : x stands for number of series.

So in this case the name of standard MSBS-K become C16FB-M1.

So in future appereance of this guns, we should retain the MSBS moniker or the new variant? --Dannyguns (talk) 10:07, 30 September 2017 (EDT)

Eh, MSBS is still the name of the whole series, might as well keep it here. Make redirects for the specific model names if they appear in anything. Evil Tim (talk) 00:41, 1 October 2017 (EDT)