Talk:The A-Team (2010)

Bradley Cooper: Fully Automatic

If you purchase the Unrated Extended Edition on I-tunes it comes with a very cool extra feature about Bradley Cooper really taking well to the M4, and to guns in general. Joe Carnahan is a shooter and gun owner himself, and he seems to really get a kick out of Cooper becoming a shooter. It has a ton of behind the scenes material with the guys training, and it also has an unseen sequence of Cooper reloading and firing the M4 that HEAT fans will enjoy.

Hannibal 1911 hi res pic

http://www.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/The-A-Team-movie-image-9.jpg

I just watched the trailer. Is that tank an XM8 Buford? Wow.

As a note, the M8 AGS was never called the Buford. It's believed to have actually been coined by Tom Clancy in his book Armored Cav: A Guided Tour of an Armored Cavalry Regiment and picked up on by others. Evil Tim 08:49, 4 November 2011 (CDT)

A-Team -- B-movie?

-Implying B-movie is a bad thing.--AlkoTanko 15:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

No shit. I mean come on, the trailer shows one of the team shooting down an F-18 with a mounted machine gun on a tank, WHILE THE TANK IS FALLING OUT OF THE GODDAMNED SKY!!! Even kicking your transmission of disbelief into high gear won't help that.StrikerDelta

Consider the source material. You've got four special forces guys who expend thousands of rounds of ammo and yet manage to not even wound, much less kill, anyone in five years, all while somehow evading arrest while riding around in a VERY distinctive vehicle driven by an even more distinctive driver. --Funkychinaman 05:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Well dude if you pay attention to the shows audience, it was a helluva a lot of kids on a friday night, they didn't want it to be to violent, but you have to give them this, of there was a tire to be shot it was shot. I think the original was more believable cause it was back in the day no satellites and databases no APB's so its probably hard to catch them if they go all around, nowadays the show wouldn't work just to unrealistic. it looked like a drone not a fighter Yeah its a drone still stupid

it aspost to be an over the top action movies

It's an MQ-1 Predator which is a UAV. Also the film is Fictitious. Made for peoples enjoyment to get away from the real world by watching something impossible done on film. what's the problem with that. moviemaster1993

also lately in films and tv show they have been showing UAV to by mounted with machine guns when they can only by fitted with missiles and bombs.

REMOVED FROM MAIN PAGE (Regarding Hannibal's 1911):

It was definitely a Para-Ordnance model .45, you can see it has a wider grip, his mags are double stacked, and the logo is on the right side of the slide. - Gunmaster45

And Hannibal obviously uses two different guns as his sidearms; first one in the film's first half, when Hannibal and his Team are still working for the government, and the second during the latter half. Most noticeable is the diffrence between the front slide serrations: the first one has six, and the second one has only three. --Warejaws 23:39, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

The Special features on the Blu Ray give it as a "Para-Ordnance P14-45 Limited". Ten in the mag, one in the spout. .45 ACP, semi-auto. --Milkovich 17:13, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

M4A1

Can anyone post some links or pictures of these rifles used in the Movie? I am really loving those Olive Foregrips and Stock.

UPDATE: Could the M4A1 actually be this?

LWRC M6A1, 5.56x45mm NATO

no, this is too expensive. Also note their rifles have step-down on the barrels for nubtube fixation.

Armorers tend to mostly use what they have in inventory already. They're not going to go out and buy all-new ARs (since all such rifles are so similar). It's more likely that these are just regular M4A1s that have been fitted with the olive furniture. -MT2008 00:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

And the M203 is not a "noob tube"... Spartan198 10:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Right, someone's been playing too much MW2 Excalibur01 15:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

The gun is in fact the LWRC M6A1.

According to the Special features on the Blu Ray they are "Bushmaster XM15-E2S"--Milkovich 18:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

About these M4s. I actually saw a picture of the A-Team running away from an explosion, in IMDB, okay and I saw Hannibal's M4 had an EOTech sight on it. And Face's M4 must have been the only one with the Red Dot Sight on it. I didn't want to post the actual picture, due to me fearing copyright, but is it alright if I provide just the link to that picture? Shoockeye7665 12:03, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Why does it still say tan magpul furniture, looks FG to me. - skyrider

Hannibal's sidearm

No doubt about it: Hannibal's 1911 is in fact a Para-ord. The slide serrations spell it all out on this one. 6 in back - offset under sights - with 3 in front. Looks like a P14 with front cocking serrations milled, or more likely an S14 with night sights. You even see the finish in the movie, and it almost looks like they've just sprayed over the stainless. Regardless, it's a Para. If not one specific, it could just be a mix-master hi-cap. --Gwhysow 23:11, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I recently saw a production still in a magazine of Hannibal and he had a shoulder holster on with what appeared to carry a 1911 variant possibly a Kimber Custom II.

Any chance at someone identifing the brand/type of shoulder holster that Hannibal uses? Spades of Columbia

Just saw the movie last night; Hannibal's 1911 is most certainly not a Kimber of any sort. Slide serrations are way off, so who knows. Almost looked like a custom slide from Caspian, but still wouldn't bet on it.

As for the leather shoulder rig, it looked a lot like a DeSantis.

To me the 1911 looks like a Para p-14 or some sort of variant, take a look at one of the promo pics where you can see it in the shoulder holster. Looks like a double-stack grip to me, but maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me.

I just saw this movie, and I agree that it's not a Kimber Warrior (lacks the Picatinny rail). My guess is Colt XSE. It's also likely that it was a custom 1911 assembled by the movie's armorers; the slide could be Colt, frame could be something else. -MT2008 02:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

No it's defiantly a Kimber possibly a Custom some don't have rails. Confirmed by the films armorer the same guy who confirmed Face's Glock as a 17 standard finish.

I need to see that evidence before you change it back (link please). And if it's not a Warrior, then don't put down that it is. It's better to say "Unknown 1911" if we don't know the exact model. -MT2008 11:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

If I can find it I will post the link but I watched as a special on Sleuth or FX I forget.

It seems that Hannible uses multiply 1911's through out the movie...but it looked as if the 1911 that Lynch said was Hannibles personal weapon that he attempted to frame hannible with at the end of the movie was a Nighthawk GRP or even the enforcer model. But pretty sure he didn't use the same 1911 the whole time. Spades of Columbia

The gun was heavily ruined to make it look more used by a Veteran. When Hannibal pulled a gun on Baracus I had seen a large logo (that not seen a trademark) on the right side of the slide near the front grooves (Can anyone confirm?). It is possible that this logo is of the Rangers, as was done with the logo of SEAL TEAM 4 on the Augustus Gibbons Colt XSE in XXX 2. Charly Driver

it could be a Nickel Plated Nighthawk FLX. these are fairly new guns, but as stated on the page. are double stacked.

Nighthawk FLX - .45 ACP

I'd say thats probably a very accurate guess. -Gunman69 05:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Good lookin piece but the front grip serrations are all kinds of diffrent.--Spades of Columbia 12:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

It can't be a double stack/para. In that last picture you see more than 3 serrations in the front and you can even imagine a single stack mag at the bottom. Also you can see in the grip/right above the trigger area that it is flat. Double stack guns have it widen for the wide magazine. http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/para1.jpg look straight above the magazine catch EDIT: Actually after rewatching, it is probably both and it is just switched throughout the movie- skyrider

Yeah, thats what i was saying. Hannible uses more then one 1911 in this movie.--Spades of Columbia 16:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I love Nighthawk 1911's - and I would like to see one in a movie - but his 1911 doesn't run a 2011 frame.--Gwhysow 18:33, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

its a shame. ud think with games like MW2 or Medal of Honor that has Elite units ud think theyd have Multiple Nighthawk variants. Delta Force uses them thanks to larry Vickers.

would the guns firing pin be removed or replanted so easily?

It would be that easy if his gun is based on a series 70...but if his gun had a firing pin safety then no you couldn't do what he did as easy.--Spades of Columbia 10:48, 4 November 2011 (CDT)

Are there 1911's with firing pin safeties? :\ - Mr. Wolf 15:54, 4 November 2011 (CDT)

Yes the Series 80 Colt's, Para, Kimber, a few others as well. Those without, Springfield for example use a titanium firing pin with a heavy spring to pass the drop test.--Predator20 16:07, 4 November 2011 (CDT)

I was wondering if we should seperate the obvious single stack 1911 thats seen briefly at the beginning of the movie? I notice that its noted to be a different gun, and i know its SUPPOSED to be standing in for the Para, but its obviously not, should we move it out from the Para entry or at the very least, note that its a stand in, not just say its the same gun but caption it different. -MissySummers-

Not a lot of new guns

I am a bit disappointed that they didn't have a wide variety of weapons used int his movie Excalibur01 04:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I was a little more disappointed by the dialogue, the way in which the action scenes were directed, and the excessive cheese throughout. And I tend to think that kind of stuff matters a little more than the variety of weapons. -MT2008 02:56, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I saw a guy with an Uzi at the bank, and I'm sure the Sig 552 isn't. It has a ful rail on top.--Mandolin 18:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it was a 556; the receiver didn't look like it (mostly around the magazine well). Also, they make continuous rails for the 552. I think it's more likely that they just took a 552, removed the stock, and gave it the upper rail, though I could be wrong. We'll see when the Blu Ray becomes available. -MT2008 13:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

I thought it was a 552 the first time. After viewing again I'm pretty sure it was the 556 pistol, it seemed to be using STANAG magazines. And for posterity, I enjoyed the stupid dialog and oozing cheese. C'mon its the A Team its not gonna be oscar worthy, its gonna be guns, explosions, stupidity and deus ex machina. =P Mercer 15:50, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

The first thing that came to mind when I saw Pike carrying the "552" was (strangely enough) a KAC PDW or a Robinson XCR... though I admit I never paid that much attention to what he was using. :S (BTW, I also enjoyed it for it's over-the-top cheesiness. It's exactly what I was expecting out of an A-team movie.)*EDIT* just saw the movie again with my GF... when Pike first gets out of the car at the beginning of the scene I could clearly tell it was a Sig 552. No full-top rail, no forward vertical grip that I could see. Later the gun looks like it may have switched. This may be either an editing or continuity error.

It looks just like the Sig 556 pistol...Spades of Columbia

Somebody added some new pictures:

File:A-TEAM PIKE.jpg

That is definitely a SIG 552 with the stock removed. Handguards, magwell, sights, etc. are totally wrong for a 556. -MT2008 02:41, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

you are correct...the front gas adjustment is a 552 design and not even close the 556.--Spades of Columbia 19:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

stock hasnt been removed its just folded to the left side of the gun. handy little touch that makes it a more concealable package, i do think they change the doctor sight though. fenris357

Actually, the stock on all SIG 550-series rifles folds to the right, not the left. His gun is clearly missing the stock. -MT2008 21:38, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Mini 14

Hannibal was firing full auto, wouldn't that make it an AC-556? Spartan198 12:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

He may have just been firing quickly, like they did in the original TV show.

In the picture we have, it looks like a Ruger Mini 14 stainless with a factory ruger folding stock. Look at the front sight. --FIVETWOSEVEN 03:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

He was using a stainless semi-auto with the older front blade sight, and a factory folding stock. I didn't notice what I'd call full auto firing, just rapid fire semi-auto. I believe the pic on the main page is in fact an AC-556, and not representative of the one used in the film. The one in the film did NOT have the birdcage flash-hider or the mid-barrel mounted front sight. For reference, it was this gun: http://www.armco-guns.com/Mini%2014%20folder%20%202.JPG --Rugerlvr 00:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

If he was firing semi-auto, then he had an impossibly fast trigger finger. Spartan198 11:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

The sound editing could have made it sound full auto. I'll need to watch the movie again Excalibur01 18:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm with Spartan, I'm pretty sure he was firing full-auto. That's One Angry Duck 19:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Its definatly still a semi, he fires fairly fast, but its about one round per bad guy and is definatly not full auto --Captain Snikt 22:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. I just watch the movie last night; it's definitely semi. -SasquatchJim

Nice Little Things

There were a few small things in this movie that made me smile, things you don't see in most movies, like when Pike was in the car and they were gonna shoot him, and the CIA guys were failing with the Beretta, and one called it a silencer and he muttered something about it being a suppressor. And I also noticed for once the Armorer was in the credits, as "Armorer/Firearms", and for the most part all the fights and reloading and such were very good, there were only a couple little things that seemed a little off, but it was almost perfect :)

Pike may have been a traitorous fink, but at least he wasn't stupid. Why is the CIA always inept, despite being super-evil? They can listen to your phone conversations half a world away but still can't pull of their evil schemes. 2 things I didn't like about the embassy scene: One, the CIA just walks through security. I was so wishing a dozen marines with M16s would stop them, and 2: the extradition order. If Sosa was a bright as she usually was, she would have maid sure it wasn't a fake. I wouldn't put it past the oh-so-evil CIA to do that.

Mk 19

wasnt there one at the end of the film?

When? I remember an M2, but no Mk19.--Mandolin 00:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

near the end, at the docks, where lynch is up on that crane. I could have sworn there was a Mk 19 sitting next to him.

Frankfurt am Main skyscrapers

You can replace the "Koeniggs Bank" in the last section (where Baracus fires the M203 launcher) with "Königsbank". I am not sure if the "ö" causes problems with the code of this website, but you may give it a try. --Paul_Baeumer 84.181.224.167 18:15, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Pikes SIG

Im sure pike was using a 228 not a 226 as it looked compact and for some reason i couted off his rounds he fired before reloading. 13, same mag cap as the 228 --Captain Snikt 18:01, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Nope, it was a 226. I saw the squared trigger guard myself. I also own a 226 and know SIGs pretty well, so I am pretty confident about this. Also, counting the rounds fired is a bad way to figure out the type of gun used; we all know movies never show reloading, making it look like actors fire hundreds of rounds from 30-shot mags. Same principle applies here. -MT2008 15:49, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

My mistake, I just streamed that scene and you are right its definatly too long to be a 228 --Captain Snikt 18:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

What is on the rail of pikes Sig SG 552? it doesnt look like a sight.Simmons 8492

PX4 Compact

Is it just me, or does the Compact PX4 look HUGE in Jessica Biels' hands? I was looking at the Live Free or Die Hard page and it looks about the same size when it's in Bruce Willis' hands. Maybe he just has large hands.--Gunkatas 15:10, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

She's a woman. Of course she has smaller hands than Bruce Willis. I don't know very many women who have big hands. Every time I ever go to ranges, I notice that women there have trouble properly gripping most guns because their hands are so smaller than those of their boyfriends/husbands. -MT2008 15:50, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

It looks bigger than the px4. But it might just be that it is Berettas Px4 Storm Sub-Compact pistol. It's not suppost to be released untill 2011 they may have put it in the movie to per-mote the guns release. Here is a link goths gun.

http://www.berettausa.com/products/px4-storm-type-f-sub-compact/

While it's possible that Beretta may have provided Px4 Sub-Compacts as a promotional deal with the producers, the guns in the movie look to me like Compacts, not Sub-Compacts. -MT2008 16:37, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

We need to get some continuity because the page text says compact, but the pictures are of the subcompact.

Face

Ok a few things Face. Firstly on the bagdad mission face is carrying two side arms, what looks like a walther p99 on the left of his chest and a second (possibly his glock) on his thigh. On a seperaate not did anyone else think it was odd that he only had 4 rounds in his glock at the showdown at the docks? (Which he uses to shoot free the cables). Even if you include the 2 shots at the frankfurt station that makes for 6 total, why would you not take at least a full mag? That said I thought he was very proficent at weapons handling. --Captain Snikt 20:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

He's too busy chasing around Jessica Biel to worry about loading his gun.

I find I can't fault him for that ;) Seriously though are you sure the slide locks back during the fight at the docks? I didn't notice myself, but is it possible the gun had a double feed, causing the slide to partially lock? If not it's probably just a goof, like they took multiple takes of that shot and didn't bother reloading the mag between takes.

It seems to be similar to in Shooter where there were only 4 rounds in the Beretta.

It was a Taurus, sign your posts.--FIVETWOSEVEN 21:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake. What do you mean, exactly? Like, put my name after it? 'Cause I'm not a member or anything.

Face has his Glock on his thigh holster in Bagdad. Im not 100% sure its a P99 on his vest, cant find a good picture of it and dont own the film yet, but it definately does look like one.

Is in fact a P99 on his vest. You get a good shot of it when they let B.A out of the container.

Bradley Cooper as Face and Liam Neeson as Hannibal with M4A1 carbines in a production still. Glock in thigh holster. Possibly a P99 on left side of his vest.

Face still carries his Glock on his thigh in addition to the p99 on his vest in baghdad, whoever re did the page needs to re do the glock entry to represent this - Captain Snikt--86.148.97.195 01:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree, this really needs to be changed --86.150.213.139 01:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Remington 870

Is that a Remington 870? I don't know if it just the angle of the pic but somehow the receiver looks a little different as does the mag tube. As a side note btw they actually do refer to the tank in the C-130 as a "Buford". --Charon68 10:19, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Screencaps

I have the Blu-Ray (which is already out here in Finland, and in several other European countries) and I did some screencapping. I will finish the page and tidy it up tomorrow. --Warejaws 00:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Since we are a U.S. Based site, DO NOT upload anything until after the December 2010 release date. I am SERIOUS. We have no way of verifying pre-release in ANY OTHER COUNTRY. (for example)(and unfortunately for our Asian members) we don't trust ANY pre release titles from Hong Kong, Singapore, Indonesia or China. With Europe, again we have no way of verifying this. This MAY be released in Finland, But of course I wonder why a major motion picture would be released in FINLAND before the U.S.? Regardless, you cannot upload images prior to the official release date. Since we can only verify the Studio's official DVD release date, IMFDB will stick to that. Sorry. Just stating that it is released in your country, sadly, in the past, has meant nothing, and it offers no legal protection for us if the member is mistaken and the images are indeed from a BOOTLEG of some sort. Thanks for your cooperation. MoviePropMaster2008 00:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

The Movie will be out on Video Dec.11,2010

So please do not put up any screenshots that aren't from the trailers or clips.

--Ben41 00:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Special Forces OD-A

Random note but in the description for this page it is said that 'The A-Team' is a Ranger team which isn't true. Yes they are all Ranger's but they are actually a U.S. Army Special Forces OD-A team. And no it's not because they are called 'The A-Team', it's because of the mission types they take on and the fact that when they are at trial you can see their Special Forces pin's along with the Special Forces Insignia on their arm's. They could possibly be 1st SFOD-D, but that would depend on what color their beret's are and since I'm colorblind I can't tell. Puppet.of.fate 15:57, 21 July 2012 (CDT)

Really doubt they are Delta. It's been a good while since I've seen the movie, but I don't recall seeing a red and black USASOC patch on their uniforms. Highly likely they are U.S. Army SF. And someone probably thought they were Rangers because they all had a Ranger tattoo. --DeltaOne 19:28, 21 July 2012 (CDT)

Anything's possible and I figured that was why someone labeled them as a Ranger team. Puppet.of.fate 15:04, 22 July 2012 (CDT)

Isnt it true that, even if they were Green Berets or Unit operators that theyd still wear the Ranger tabs? As i recall, they have 7th Special Forces flashing on their berets. ~CarlyAnne~ (talk) 19:19, 15 February 2013 (EST)

Correct. On U.S. Army uniforms you are allowed up to three skill tabs on the shoulder. So even Delta operators wearing the Class A Uniform for offical photos will still have any tabs earned shown (IE - Special Forces, Ranger & Airborne. Also known as the Triple Canopy). See here - http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.194566190608695.46212.194560650609249&type=3 --DeltaOne (talk) 06:52, 16 February 2013 (EST)

I believe their beret's were black with a red flashing symbolizing the 7th Special Forces Group. Doesnt that mean that they're not Rangers or even Special Forces? Rangers used to wear the Black Beret, but that was changed in 2001, and of course Green Beret's wear green berets. So, yes its a movie, but, what group would the belong to?

EDIT: Just happened to see the movie on TV today! During their trial, they're wearing green berets with red flashings from the 7th, as well their shoulder patches are from Special Forces. ~CarlyAnne~ (talk) 15:36, 16 February 2013 (EST)

For now I guess we can just say their a four man OD-A team from the 7th Special Forces Group. Although their skills and mission types show they maybe more. Puppet.of.fate (talk) 20:58, 16 February 2013 (EST)

Pike's Sig sight

What kind of sight is on Pike's rifle. Is it even a real sight?--Gunner5

It's real all right. Not sure the exact type bu 5 minutes on Cheaper Than Dirt shows these:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/6-0930343 http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-BU300236 http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/3-0930626

Hannibal's Jacket

So in nearly unrelated topic to the firearms in the movie. I was wondering if anyone knew the make and manufacturer of the jacket Hannibal wears in this picture.

I'm trying to get a nice jacket for cold weather shooting. I've been told it's the Condor Softshell Haze or whatever but the pockets don't match and I want one with the exact layout of what Hannibal has. If anyone knows please let me know sorry for putting up this post unrelated to the firearms of the movie. Just figure someone here might have an idea. DarkSamuraiX1999 (talk) 2150, 15 Oct 2013 (PST)