Talk:Skyfall

Bond's main gun

I know we can see that Bond has chosen the faithful PPK as his sidearm, but I would love too see a return of the P99. It is the use of it in Bond films that made it a preferred personal sidearm of choice Fixer

I want to see other Walter guns. There's been quite a few new ones since the last movie that came out. I'd love to see the PPQ in action Excalibur01 13:34, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I'd rather him use a SIG Sauer P226 as a bigger pistol like he did in QoS. --cool-breeze 13:58, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Nah, I think he needs a more unique pistol, something to mark that only Bond would use. Excalibur01 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

same. maybe the SIG or he pulls a Collateral with the Heckler & Koch USP--simmons 8492

Is anyone else puzzled by how old and haggard Daniel Craig looks in that picture? --Funkychinaman 15:41, 2 February 2012 (CST)

I still have never liked the new Bond. All the Bonds before Craig were the classic fictional "spy" with all the charms and awesomeness that all women want him and men want to be him. I know REAL spies don't usually act like the classic Bond fashion with super gadgets and all but that's why we love him, not for the realism but for the fantasy it really is. Excalibur01 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig does look older in this picture. I would rather see the new PPS as his sidearm because it's simply an evolution thing. From PPK to P5 to P99, Bond has usually always used a Walther. To have him go back to the PPK, while is nice to see, is not something that make sense this day in age.

Actually in the Jeffrey Deaver Bond novel "Carte Blanche" Bond does use the Walther PPS Charon68 17:35, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Daniel Craig has not aged well in my opinion. In Layer Cake when he was early thirties, he looked quite young. When I saw the promo picture for Skyfall, I couldn't believe it was him for a second. I would have liked Bond to sport a P22 or PK380 in Skyfall, but as is life :( Fixer

Charon68, that is what I was referring to the book. --Mattattack07 17:43, 2 February 2012 (CST)

If bond is former SAS soldier, as suggested in Casino Royale, then he would have used a PPK so is a realistic choice. --commando552 18:04, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Personally though I had thought the PPK was withdrawn from service after the attempted kidnapping of Princess Margaret in 1974. As cool as the thing looks the cartridge is woefully underpowered and would barely make a scratch with modern body armor. Charon68 18:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)

That incident was with the police Royalty Protection branch, and at that point the PPK was carried as a primary weapon. It wasn't a power issue, the gun jammed when the protection officer tried to return fire, and was immediately and totally withdrawn by the police due to this freak occurrence. It is still used (or was still used until relatively recently) by the SAS as an ankle gun during close protection work or for undercover work (such as in Northern Ireland), and I think there is also a hidden pocket specifically for the PPK in the SAS CRW coveralls. Main pistols used by SAS are the P226 and P228. Personally I would like to see bond with a P228, or its successor the P229 SAS. --commando552 18:30, 2 February 2012 (CST)

On the Casino Royale website it says that Bond is former SBS. --cool-breeze 18:59, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Personally I always thought a worth successor to the PPK would have been the HK P7. Charon68 20:19, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Bond being ex-UKSF has been canon since at least Tomorrow Never Dies; Bond can be seen wearing a pair of UKSF Parachute wings on the sleeve of his No.1C uniform, as in This shot. Plus he uses a P7 in at least one of the novels. The Wierd It 13:34, 3 February 2012 (CST)

I think we're torn on the ideal of a the Bond gun as being something small and still powerful to what is more practical. In a real sense, Bond should always be carrying full size guns or larger guns because of the situation. Why a small gun when his outfit could offer concealment on larger frame weapons and with modern day suppressors, you can't say a small gun suppresses better. Excalibur01 21:08, 2 February 2012 (CST)

In the novels written by Raymond Benson, Bond would carry a PPK if he needed concealment with a suppressor and he would keep a P99 in his cars or when he was in a tactical situation where he needed more firepower. That was something that was used in the game Bloodstone and would be a nice medium. --Mattattack07 22:07, 2 February 2012 (CST)

Bond is a Naval Commmander, and personally I would like him to use a P228, as it is compact enough for undercover work and has a large enough magazine (13 rounds in 9mm) to see him through a gunfight --Taurus96 12:54, 5 February 2012 (CST).

The p228 is not bond 007 style. The thing is that the PPK is the classic bond gun, but with a magazine size of at max 8 rounds, it is not very good choice. He could use one of two pistols: the P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander) or a usp compact in 9 mil. The usp compact is good for concealment and it offers a larger magazine (13 rounds) compared to the ppk's 8.--Coltmth 15:28, 5 February 2012 (CST)

"he P226 Navy in .40 S&W (since he is an naval commander)" Wrong Navy, plus the 226 Navy is (I believe) only chambered in 9mm NATO. The Wierd It 16:21, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If anything the PPK is a good backup gun nothing else. I personally wouldn't even consider using a PPK as my primary even if I was using a compact gun just because their is simply better compact guns with better stopping power then the PPK.

Guys, we're missing the point. It doesn't matter what guns are better choices than a PPK. Most guns out there are. Bond may be a former SBS or SAS or whatever, but he NEEDS to carry a Walther. For 50 years, he has carried three different guns, all Walther. I am in huge favor of him carrying both a P99 and a PPK depending on the situation, although I would probably get over it if he replaced the PPK with a PPS. I think a lot of people want to see Bond carry guns that THEY like, but don't really fit Bond's persona. All the guns suggested are combat sidearms, while Bond only needs something to serve for a CCW. If he needs more firepower, there is the P99.----JazzBlackBelt-- 21:44, 5 February 2012 (CST)

I totally agree with JazzBlackBelt. The P99 is the best for Bond and the PPK makes for a great backup gun.--Coltmth 22:25, 5 February 2012 (CST)

If they want to be really faithful, they should give him back the Beretta pocket pistol he carried in the first few novels. But now I'm being overly sarcastic and need to calm down. The Wierd It 05:30, 6 February 2012 (CST)

While I agree that there are better choices then a PPK, I wouldn't want to step in front of one in the hands of a professional like Daniel Craig's Bond. The PPK is iconic and identified with Bond as much as the dinner suit and the Aston Martin; it was chosen by Fleming because its name "rolled off the tongue" and for its sleek looks. The producers did a good job in Quantum of Solace mixing up the traditional (PPK) with the more modern (P226). And since I am new to this site, if someone could tell me how to leave a signature, I would appreciate it :) Thanks Funkychinaman for the signature info!--SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon 22:58, 7 April 2012 (CDT)

I don't know if you folks have seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuO34MDezzU It looks like folks have been discussing the gun Bond should carry for 50 years. APS221 00:47, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

They should follow Jeffery Deaver's advice and choose the gun from the book Carte Blanche, the book that was going to be adapted into this film originally. Shame it's not going to be-the gun's a Walther PPS .40 S&W. It betters the PPK in calibers and capacity (if you either have an extended magazine or choose 9mm instead of .40 calibre.), and matches it exactly on size. Also, I believe Bond should have a larger handgun inside his vehicle and for use on covert operations. The PP9, while Bond has been using it before and it has a good capacity, is outdated and still a 9mm. I believe it should be a full-sized handgun, still a Walther, maybe the P22 .22 LR, as it is quieter suppressed than the 9mm PP9. I'm not sure weather .22 LR is more or less powerful than 9mm though...anyone? As for the Bond gun debating, it's never going to stop completely. If Bond books and films carry on being made for hundreds more years, better and more concealable guns in better calibers with better suppressors will become available, and people like us will always disagree with the choice, unless the people in charge of firearms choosing at the Bond films come across this site and choose what we say, which is unlikely. The PPK, whilst good in it's day, is severly outdated (it's nearly twice as old as the actor holding it!), the caliber is ineffective compared to the .40 S&W at penetration and damage, and the PPS can be suppressed just as effectively with modern suppressor technology, compared to the .380 ACP with WWII suppressor technology, and is the same size exactly-Walther claim so themselves. However, the big cheeses at the Bond office just see the PPK not as ineffective, or underpowered, or old, but as a symbol of Bond. I think we may have to put up with it for many years to come, until either they see some sense or are fired. I'm sure Boothroyd's turning in his grave. Alasdair.

The thing with Bond is that he needs to use a gun with decent size caliber. If I would choose a new gun for Bond, I would choose the Kimber Warrior, which is meant for marksmen like Bond. Glocks are good, but are not suited for Bond. The Walther P99 as of the guns Bond has used is the best one that he has used. --Coltmth 10:31, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

I want to see him with a PPS or something like that. The PPK is nice, but this isn't Ian Flemming's bond anymore. He is a more realistic action hero. A PPS in a IWB holster with a P99 or PPQ in his car. I like Craig as Bond because he is more gritty and honestly, less of a man whore. I have experience with a PPS and I think Bond would too.--Yo dawg 111 11:25, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

I'm a huge fan of the Walther, and i would love to see him use his P99 again, i got a replica of it myself and it's really good. Especially is a Vega Holster!

In the book "Devil May Care", Bond looses his PPK frequently and is mostly seen using, of all things an M1911. That would be pretty cool. Scattergun 14:55, 8 April 2012 (EST)

While I maintain my opinion that the PPK, properly supplemented at appropriate times like in Quantum, is the only gun for Bond, I am sympathetic to the argument that he should be equipped with a more modern weapon. Therefore, I nominate the new SIG SAUER P224. It is of an appropriate size (unlike the Walther P99), has the proven professional pedigree of the P220/226 line, is of high quality (unlike the poor reputation-dogged Walther), isn’t the everyone’s gun the GLOCK is, and has some style and panache that the PPS, GLOCK, USP, and their polymer look-alikes lack. I would prefer 9mm for an agent operating worldwide, but the P224 is available in .40 and .357 SIG (now that’s a serious caliber). --SIG 1911 A Professional's Weapon 23:01, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

Of course the big problem with a non-Walther gun is that apparently the franchise has a fairly nice sponsorship deal going with Carl Walther GmbH. Evil Tim 23:09, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

If the franchise has a big sponsorship with Walther, then why don't Walther make a gun especially designed for James Bond? It could be tailored to meet his needs (suggestions as to what they might be, please), and then they could release it for sale to the public. They'd make a fortune by selling it to James Bond fans, and serious shooters if it was very good. Q could make a big deal in-film about how good it is, and how Walther have made it especially for him. Good idea? Alasdair.

Well, because imagine the PR when the gun made specially for James Bond is used to hold up a bank, they'd never hear the end of it, nevermind the kind of "MGM is arming our kids!" nonsense they'd get anyway. That and if you're a gun company exec and someone pitches that idea to you, your first reply would be "why not just have him use something we already make?" Evil Tim 06:55, 10 April 2012 (CDT)

The whole debate about whether he should be using a PPK should be treated in the same way as whether it is realistic for Bond to engage in so many scuffles in nice, taper-fit Tom Ford suits and Church leather shoes. The cut is simply unrealistic for someone who wishes to conceal serious firepower. Given his obvious fondness for the Italian cut in his suits, it is fitting that Daniel Craig/James Bond should choose the PPK instead of the P99 he had used in the first movie, but, alas, such weapons remained adequate today for a Walter Mitty who would not see much more action. Since the 1970s, an operator carrying a PPK would simply not be taken seriously by fellow professionals, and would be laughed out of the Special Forces Club. A serious operator would simply rather wear a suit with the horrendous sack-like American cut, than do without a true combat pistol.

A former SBS operator would really be more likely to carry a SiG-Sauer P226. He might sacrifice two rounds to save 0.1 inch of butt length by carrying the P228, but someone who really means to can conceal either under a suit jacket. Even women operators could conceal a Heckler and Koch MP5K under their jacket. So the producer or director really missed a chance here to turn James Bond from being a mere walking advertisement for luxury brands to a more serious character (like back in Casino Royale).

Oh, by the way, using an Olympic Arms K23B is the ultimate mark of un-seriousness in a professional. Someone get that girl a HK 416.

One word for you - TRADITION. Bond's always used a PPK (except in the first few novels), it's pretty much his signature gun. I'm glad they've gone back to it over the P99, which just never had the same classic feel to it.--Leigh Burne 10:45, 1 August 2012 (CDT)

Of course. But that still means that the more edgy and realistic Daniel Craig reboot, which started so promisingly in Casino Royale, has now officially gone off the rails and U-turned back into cheesy entertainment territory. If that's the case, please give me back Pierce Brosnan's easy charm, Roger Moore's humour, or Sean Connery sheer animal charisma, not Daniel Craig's brooding sulkiness.

I don't see how you can claim they've totally rejected the serious tone and gone back to being cheesy fun JUST because he's using the PPK again. Especially as you haven't even seen the film! I mean, do you not realise what a ridiculous jump in logic that is? That's like saying "Because Bond has a beard in one scene they're going to bring back Madonna."--Leigh Burne 02:51, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

What Happened???

In Casino Royale (2006), Bond had good trigger discipline and kept good two handed grips on his guns, an now we have shots of him in a footchase pointing his PPK in front of him with his finger on the trigger... call me a safety Nazi but I expect better from a trained agent....--Yo dawg 111 11:35, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

You mean the footchase at Tower Hill? Maybe, and correct me if i'm wrong he just shot someone....

I'm pretty sure Bond was chasing/shooting at someone so that would explain it Bristow8411 17:38, 19 April 2012 (CDT)

CO19 holster weapons

The lads from CO19 seem too have a Glock in their holsters. The norm for police carrying sidearms in the UK is a Glock 17, so its safe too assume that they are also Glock 17s.

Fixer

Several of the Bond forums have photo threads and their are images of the armourer hand the CO19 actors Glock 17s and G36s.

Regards, Tecolote

Trailer unknown gun

The teaser trailer dropped today, and I have clocked an unknown gun around 1:11. It is scoped and suppressed, but I am unable too identify it. Can someone have a look and possibly screencap it? Cheers lads

Fixer

It was an odd looking thing, whatever it is. It is mostly in shadow but you get one good whole weapon shot of it when there is a flash of light:

I think if it is a real gun it is highly modified. My guess would be that it is a covert gun that passes as something else (like the Day of the Jackal rifle), as the trigger is a random metal loop, and that vertical part is not a magazine, but appears to fold down from the front as a sort of monopod. --commando552 10:06, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

It is some type of bolt action for sure,and definitely a covert job. Regards, Tecolote

The bolt looks like something off of an Accuracy International rifle.--6pulkpancerna 11:37, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Thanks, I should have known that as I was examining an AI in .300Win. the day before yesterday.

Regards,

Tecolote

I would say its a grease gun--Coltmth 15:26, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

It deffinitely has nothing to do with an M3, as it is a bolt action feeding from a rifle size magazine (in the trailer it clearly shows the magazine being inserted into the rifle). The large vertical part appears to be a hand grip or support strut of some sort and is not a magazine. As for it being an Accuracy International I can see where you are coming from, but I don't think it is. First off the bolt stem on an AI AW curves backwards, and the bolt on this is straight. Also, the bolt is too far forward from the front of the weapon. --commando552 16:28, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

Yeah, I was just kinda throwing it out there. If it is a M3, it looks like it is highly customized. But now I know it is not a M3.--Coltmth 17:10, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

I don't think we'll be able to tell just from this. It looks almost like a custom mockup built around a real weapon. Hell, considering the unusual trigger, box-shaped suppressor, and various almost unrecognizable bits and pieces, it could very well be a completely inert prop with CGI firing. Chitoryu12 20:36, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

It could be a prototype weapon where the design has not been released to the general public. Otherwise, it is just a complete custom mockup.--Coltmth 21:40, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

looking at the bolt area and where the stock attaches, my money would be on it being a PGM Ultima Ratio, obviously heavily mocked up, but impossible to say for sure without more pics - TheSpannaMunkee

Additional images to be Id'ed

These are some more images from the trailer. --Ben41 23:16, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

In order: 1. Bond's PPK, which he promptly reloads

2. I assume his HK416 during his house shootout

3. The strange mock-up seen above

4. A Glock, or possibly a SIG? --Taurus96 01:51, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

I'm hoping the gun in that last image is a P99 Fixer

Number 4 isn't a Glock and I don't think it's a SIG either, it looks to have a slide mounted safety like a Beretta 92FS but the front profile makes me think it's some sort of Browning variant. --cool-breeze 10:22, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

The gun on the last picture looks like a P99 to me...But a 92FS isn't a crazy thought, maybe he picked it up from a Silva tug or something..

I'm inclined to think either Browning or 1911 variant --DeltaOne 15:07, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

I reckon it's probably some sort of Browning or 1911 variant, the frame looks too long to be a P99. --cool-breeze 15:48, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

I've taken a new screencap of the silhouette of the strange SMG thing he has, the best I could find. It looks vaguely like the silhouette of a MAT-49, though I doubt that's what it is. Hope it helps nonetheless: http://i49.tinypic.com/359ecl3.png Chitoryu12 17:43, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

Look a couble of sections up and you will see a cap of it in the light, where you can see it is actually cuilt on (if anything) a bolt action rifle. What you are seeing as a long SMG magazine is a cosmetic thing stuck on the weapon which appears to be folded forward for storage. --commando552 18:05, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

You know, i guess it's maybe a H&K USP because it looks like it so much

Number 4 could be a HK USP actually. --cool-breeze 15:28, 23 May 2012 (CDT)

Haha, someone who's agreed with me ;)

Sign your posts though. --cool-breeze 07:42, 24 May 2012 (CDT)

All right, will do. --walther_arms

trailer weapons

seen the new trailer bad guy seems to have custom take down sniper rifle fits with the mytos of the films allso looks like bond goes back to the p99 all i have seen is a bad blurry image but the trigger guard is defeniatly not a ppk jump in any one who can clear this up--Seekerdude 15:49, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

ok the courtyard gun in the trailer 1 got a better look at it seems to be a glock 17 --Seekerdude 15:46, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

New Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgr2syY_OU4&feature=youtu.be --Taurus96 09:58, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

Awesome!! Just wanted to point out that there is also a slightly different US version, also viewable on the jamesbond007 channel on YouTube. I don't know about you guys, but I think this has some serious potential...----JazzBlackBelt-- 13:54, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

Signature Walther PPK

a pistol Signature gun that only 007 can use did they not use this in license to kill in 1989 at least they upgraded the caliber to .380 acp (9mm x 17mm short) which is slightly better than the .32 acp (7.65x17mm) that was used in the books and films--Seekerdude 14:51, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

Kinda. In License to Kill it was a sniper rifle disguised as a camera that was the gun that required a palm scan, not the Walther PPK Bristow8411 19:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

"12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun"

I've read that this is "Anderson Wheeler 500 Nitro Double Rifle" (source: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=465931593424952&set=a.430960320255413.102948.154596811225100&type=1&theater ); may it be true? Pawelm 17:43, 2 August 2012 (CEST)

I remember an article about a set visit where they were talking about the fact that the big bad in this film is fond of antique British weapons and uses percussion pistols and a .500 Nitro Express rifle, so that ID might be right. --commando552 10:59, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

I've changed the identification, since you are probably correct. For those who are interested, here is the company website: Anderson Wheeler Double Rifle --Markit 22:07, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

Trailer

I watched the new trailer this morning, and at the bit when Bond meets Q, I swear I could have heard Q saying the PPK is infact a PPK/S. Could be wrong, but did anyone else notice this? Fixer

Yeah, it was even mentioned on the main page of Skyfall. I think it could definitely be a blued PPK/S based on the grip size. Can someone who knows PPKs better than I do confirm this?----JazzBlackBelt-- 15:13, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

Am I the only one who thinks that there might be a sort of shooting competition between Bond and Silva? I mean, look at the main page, where the P99 and the Flintlock pistols are. Bond is wearing the same suit, the background is the same and it's the same time of day. Just some food for thought --Taurus96 02:34, 3 August 2012 (CDT).

I don't think that's a P99, it could be the Glock that he has pointed at his head in the screenshot with Silva firing the Flintlock. --cool-breeze 10:24, 3 August 2012 (CDT)