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SDV DRAGUNOV?

Yep.....(later) Nope.

I've left a comment on this already, but probably not. We'd have to ask MPM2008, but I don't think any real SVDs were being imported to the U.S. at the time, and Hollywood armorers were basically limited to making due with what was on the civilian market. There are some Valmet M78 rifles configured to look like SVDs, which appear in Commando and Predator. Considering that Stembridge Gun Rentals supplied the weapons for those films and this one, it's a safe bet that the "Dragunov" in this film is one of those same guns.

the supposed SVD in the movie, was actually a Valmet M78/83, the dragunov stocked version of the original M78 LMG. Actually we did not have SVDs in the U.S. until 1985, when Norinco imported their near perfect clone - the NDM-86. This rifle was identical to the SVD and used the 7.62x54R Cartridge and curved magazine. The .308 version of this rifle also used the same curved magazine, but had a different follower. The early versions of the Dragunov that used the straight walled .308 Magazines were early prototype guns that were imported in the early 1980s and were not a part of this series of guns which were imported between 1985-1989. We only started getting Russian marked guns after the fall of the USSR in 1990. MoviePropMaster2008 05:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

It is a common misunderstanding that the M78/83 was a customized gun. The M78 was imported with a clubfoot stock, the M78/83 was the 1983 import that added the supposedly 'cooler looking' black synthetic thumbhole stock. That stock was a factory item and came with all the guns marked M78/83 (or were installed by the distributor), however VERY FEW of these in the full auto version or the over the counter semi auto versions were imported, so they are very rare. MoviePropMaster2008 05:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

TOKAREV

I removed the comment about Chinese T-54s being a better choice of the film based on having the safety catch - the safety catch is required for US import, real Chinese military Tokarevs (T-51, T-54 or M20) don't have it. - Nyles

M60E3

I reverted the M60E3 entry as just because an M60E3 has an Assault lenght barrel it is not a M60E4. the E4 model is an Improved E3 with several re designed internal and external parts.

Also, did the M60E4 even exist in 1985, when the movie was made? I've been under the impression it was introduced in the 1990s (at least that's what Wikipedia says, but we all know they can't be trusted). -MT2008 00:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

The only thing I trust on Wikipedia are the pages I have made. Heck, there are some popular firearms websites that I just cannot trust due to the level of bad information. the E4 shows up in my Military Firearms guides long after RamboII came out. Heck a Marimont Light Machinegun might be more accurate. Think of am M-60 with everything possible lightened and the forward grip being just an M-16 pistol grip. Rockwolf66 01:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it Maremont? ;) MPM2008

M57 Yugo pistol

The pistol in the film sure looks like an M57 (with the pistol grip being longer than a TT-33 or Norinco Clone), but look at the grip serrations on the back of the slide. The Yugo M57 has diagonally slanting grip lines, the pistol that Vihn is holding has vertical grip lines. He is not holding the same pistol (unless the M57 changed designs midway). MPM2008

revolver?

what's with the revolver the guy with the smiley face pin has

What? Do you mean Watchmen?--Oliveira 20:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

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 ::the supposed SVD in the movie, was actually a Valmet M78/83, the dragunov stocked version of the original M78 LMG.  Actually we did not have SVDs in the U.S. until 1985, when Norinco imported their near perfect clone - the NDM-86.  This rifle was identical to the SVD and used the 7.62x54R Cartridge and curved magazine.  The .308 version of this rifle also used the same curved magazine, but had a different follower.  The early versions of the Dragunov that used the straight walled .308 Magazines were early prototype guns that were imported in the early 1980s and were not a part of this series of guns which were imported between 1985-1989.  We only started getting Russian marked guns after the fall of the USSR in 1990.  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
+::It is a common misunderstanding that the M78/83 was a customized gun.  The M78 was imported with a clubfoot stock, the M78/83 was the 1983 import that added the supposedly 'cooler looking' black synthetic thumbhole stock.  That stock was a factory item and came with all the guns marked M78/83 (or were installed by the distributor), however VERY FEW of these in the full auto version or the over the counter semi auto versions were imported, so they are very rare. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
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