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See Talk:Main Page/Archive 1, Talk:Main Page/Archive 2, Talk:Main Page/Archive 3, Talk:Main Page/Archive 4, Talk:Main Page/Archive 5, Talk:Main Page/Archive 6, Talk:Main Page/Archive 7, Talk:Main Page/Archive 8, Talk:Main Page/Archive 9, Talk:Main Page/Archive 10, or Talk:Main Page/Archive 11 for older discussions:

Happy 2022

Happy New Year! --Ben41 (talk) 15:49, 1 January 2022 (EST)

Happy New Year to my IMFDB friends. May you all get everything you want this year. --PyramidHead (talk) 16:01, 1 January 2022 (EST)

Proposal to streamline the TV category

I was thinking, we have a MAIN page for a series and then the individual seasons. Since I think (IMHO) that the Television category listing is really LONG and CUMBERSOME because of all the listings of EACH season, I propose that we only list the MAIN TITLE page of each series and then when the viewer clicks on THAT page, they see all the SEASONS as choices to click on.

For example: Airwolf

Airwolf - Season 1

Airwolf - Season 2

Airwolf - Season 3

Airwolf - Season 4

Instead of listing all the seasons, just put AIRWOLF as a single entry and then you could pick the various seasons from there. All the separate SEASON pages would still be there. It would streamline the list of TV shows way down, due to eliminating all the duplication by listing each and every separate season. MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 17:47, 8 January 2022 (EST)

I am confused as to what you're proposing. That pages for a specific series of a show should not be tagged with the Television category, and that the disambigution pages should? --Tamarin88 (talk) 18:21, 8 January 2022 (EST)
I agree the TV page is maybe a bit tedious with all the season pages listed but as Tamarin pointed out I don't see any way to do so without removing the categorizations from all those individual season pages, which would be a bit of work and ultimately would - strictly speaking - be incorrect. IDK. I suppose an alternate idea is we could do the seasons as slashed 'subpages' within a main page similar to how HV3R does its weapon categories, but that would entail even more work setting up those subpages and moving the content for each individual season, as well as maybe tweaking existing templates and such. Again.. IDK. StanTheMan (talk) 23:04, 8 January 2022 (EST)
Currently we have 2,100 entries in the TV category. It is really so many that it hampers the work with the category? But if so, then in my opinion may be it would be advisable to create subcategories for the seasons (in case there are more than two ot three in the particulcar series, for example). And in order not to mix these categories with Genre, Author, Director and Nation categories, just remove tag TV (as well as tag Film) from abovementioned ones - these tags hardly do any good there. --Greg-Z (talk) 00:49, 9 January 2022 (EST)
How about just a "Television Series Season" category, leaving the original TV category for the series main pages? --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:04, 9 January 2022 (EST)
Yes, this is also a good option.
I would also like to note that in the case of renaming the pages of seasons or changing the structure to slashed 'subpages', as suggested above, we will get an incredibly colossal amount of work to change the links on the pages of guns and actors - hardly a pleasant prospect. Simple moving of the pages to special categories in one or another way wouldn't lead to such disaster.--Greg-Z (talk) 01:22, 10 January 2022 (EST)
Indeed. FCM has presented a very elegant and much simpler solution here. StanTheMan (talk) 00:02, 11 January 2022 (EST)

Halo TV series includes real firearms.

As the header suggests, the new TV series for Halo, yes that Halo, includes at least two real-life firearms, most notably an AKM of some sort, as well as what appears to be an Arex ReX Zero 1. I feel like this means the series (not the games, mind you), might actually qualify for a page.--BlackHawk510 (talk) 13:04, 31 January 2022 (EST)

Yeah, someone already made a page for it: Halo (TV Series). TheExplodingBarrel (talk) 13:12, 31 January 2022 (EST)
I noticed the pistol was missing, good ID--AgentGumby (talk) 13:13, 31 January 2022 (EST)

Far Cry requests

I've created a talk page for Far Cry New Dawn but currently Far Cry New Dawn simply redirects to Far Cry 5. Can an administrator change this?

Also, can the Far Cry 2 page be unlocked? There are some edits needed to bring that page a bit up to date.--AgentGumby (talk) 13:38, 3 February 2022 (EST)

After getting redirected to the FC5 page from the New Dawn page, just click the (Redirected from Far Cry New Dawn) text to bring you to the redirect page without redirecting back to the FC5 page. TheExplodingBarrel (talk) 13:51, 3 February 2022 (EST) Edit: Oh whoops, didn't see that the page was locked.
If the weapons in the spinoff are close enough to the base game, then put them on the page of the base game. We established that precedent with Blood Dragon. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:32, 3 February 2022 (EST)
I've decided to make its own page as the 5 page would be huge otherwise.--AgentGumby (talk) 15:18, 3 February 2022 (EST)

Both unlocked.--Greg-Z (talk) 14:33, 3 February 2022 (EST)

Thanks!--AgentGumby (talk) 15:18, 3 February 2022 (EST)
Another request - can Far Cry 3 and Far Cry 4 be unlocked? Evil Tim seems to have locked a lot of these up before disappearing.--AgentGumby (talk) 15:30, 5 July 2022 (EDT)
Both unlocked.--Greg-Z (talk) 15:48, 5 July 2022 (EDT)
Thanks again!--AgentGumby (talk) 20:25, 5 July 2022 (EDT)

Discord

Re-sharing this from last year's talk page: https://discord.gg/w2aRKyZmpJ --AgentGumby (talk) 20:56, 4 March 2022 (EST)

IMFDB is now banned in Russia

Well, that's to be expected. --Slon95 (talk) 20:37, 17 March 2022 (EDT)

Don't see it, at least for now. Firefox and Chrome both allow to open IMFDB without any tricks. I experienced problems with "connection timed out" from my smartphone for some time, but it was temporary, and now IMFDB opens quite well. So I hope it was a false alarm.--Greg-Z (talk) 01:18, 18 March 2022 (EDT)
Same. Everything works without VPN and other staff. Pustelga7 (talk) 11:34, 18 March 2022 (EDT)

I was surprised to see that you guys are still connected with us. --Jcordell (talk) 10:24, 18 March 2022 (EDT)

This is only because their providers are more "liberal" (a more "liberal" branch of the KGB, let's call everything by its proper name). Half of the sites I visit are very longtime don't available by default. If not for the favorable tarif, I would have left it long ago. --Slon95 (talk) 16:41, 19 March 2022 (EDT)

Increased attention to Eternals page

Hey everyone, I finished Eternals page today, but damn, I'm pretty unsure about any of the weapon models in this movie. More precisely, in the weapon involved in this dark scene in the Amazonian forest. So if anyone can see some other model in those tiny silhouettes in the background, let's talk about it. Pustelga7 (talk) 19:37, 23 March 2022 (EDT)

Are there actually any rules against mobile games on IMFDB?

On IMFDB, there seems to be an informal agreement that mobile games are not notable enough to warrant documentation on this website; there are no mobile game pages on this website, and users only document mobile game firearms via their own sandbox pages as personal projects. However, officially (as documented on the Rules, Standards and Principles page), there are no rules against mobile game pages; mobile games are professionally distributed video games, and the one rule where mobile apps are mentioned only states that user-made mobile apps are not allowed, the same as other user-made media.

So I would like to ask, what is actually stopping us from making pages on mobile games like Girls' Frontline and Call of Duty: Mobile? Is it just an informal agreement due to habits? If it is a concern about shovelware, I would like to argue that PC game markets are filled with shovelware too, and the average wiki editor's ability to reasonably judge a game's quality and notability should be enough to filter out the non-notable shovelware. --Wuzh (talk) 13:48, 4 April 2022 (EDT)

Just another step towards turning the site into IVGFDB, right? :) --Greg-Z (talk) 15:28, 4 April 2022 (EDT)
I say no. Maybe it's time to create a whole new website dedicated to cataloging weapons used in games. --Jcordell (talk) 22:00, 4 April 2022 (EDT)
As I've said before, this whole "no mobile games allowed" thing is archaic. Mobile games are now as popular as any other entertainment and have graphical fidelity on par with at least the PS3 generation. I suppose 10 years ago someone decided that mobile games are not relevant and detailed enough to be allowed but that is clearly not the case anymore. These obsolete notions should be reevaluated and mobile games should be allowed considering that there are already perfectly detailed sandbox articles that can serve as a blueprint. --Nanomat (talk) 22:18, 4 April 2022 (EDT)
If I may suggest, I'd consider having a complete article for a mobile game done first as a proof-of-concept. I think part of the hesitancy here is to safeguard against an influx of 'noeffort' pages.--AgentGumby (talk) 18:00, 11 April 2022 (EDT)
I think we cast a pretty wide net here when it comes to eligible titles. I was hoping we would be able to avoid vetting titles one by one. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:10, 12 April 2022 (EDT)
This is a more or less complete article for a mobile game. Also, here is the latest reason in favor of dropping the no mobile games rule. --Nanomat (talk) 19:01, 15 April 2022 (EDT)
While I'm aware of the COD Mobile page, and I don't mean to demean the work already put on it, I'm not seeing any in-gameplay screenshots on that page yet - sure, it passes the minimum I guess, but I mean it'd be best to have something a little fully-documented. Granted CODM has a ton of guns and is still in live service so its a more challenging example anyway. Also, if you mostly plan on documenting mobile games in current mainstream series, maybe they can go on the talk page for their category? IE, for R6 Mobile, on the Category talk:Tom Clancy.--AgentGumby (talk) 19:49, 15 April 2022 (EDT)

For the record, while I am in favor of having mobile games be allowed as work pages, I am currently only asking for clarification on our rules regarding mobile games, and how this "only on sandboxes" situation came about. Were there previous discussions surrounding this topic? --Wuzh (talk) 22:25, 4 April 2022 (EDT)

I proposed the ban a few years ago, and it was discussed in the admin-only section of the forum. Motion passed, and it was added to the RSP shortly afterwards. As for sandboxes, I personally give a lot of leeway when it comes to sandboxes. But at the end of the day, we already allow many forms of media, and I don't think it's too difficult to work around our restrictions. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:54, 5 April 2022 (EDT)
2.10 Computer and Video Games Requirements - "Any video game submitted to the site must be a legitimate title, released for the PC, Mac, or a game console."
Sounds like a black-and-white exclusion to me, not just an 'informal agreement'; last I checked, phones and tablets aren't considered game consoles. While I grant there is at this stage perhaps some basis for a reevaluation of that rule, not seeing where there's wiggle room about it at present since by plain text they just aren't allowed. As for sandboxes, its to my understanding that while they're primarily meant to be placeholders for actual soon-to-be-published pages, there is some leeway for them to be a sort-of free-for-all zone for users. StanTheMan (talk) 00:09, 5 April 2022 (EDT)
"Other Media that are not films: The rule applies to user-made flash games, mobile apps, YouTube home movies/shorts done with airsoft guns, faux commercials, skits or anything else of the sort. The only exceptions will be user-created mods for first-person shooter video game (i.e. any of the mods for "Half-Life") - provided they are well-known and popular enough to warrant a page. When in doubt, ask an administrator and we will determine a game mod's value to IMFDB." --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:41, 5 April 2022 (EDT)

New News Media Mention

IMFDB is cited for list of firearms used by Matthew McConaughey. Not massively significant, but noting for posterity. VladVladson (talk) 19:01, 7 June 2022 (EDT)

It's Breitbart, lol.--AgentGumby (talk) 19:11, 7 June 2022 (EDT)

A new template for Early Access games?

Currently games like Ready or Not, and Arma Reforger (but not Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades oddly enough) use the "Upcoming" template, which identifies them as "unrelased" despite having some form of release. Obviously, this is less than desirable. Can we make a new template for cases like this? Wording like "While officially released in some form, this video game is actively receiving new content via patches. This page may not yet reflect new additions, and current information is subject to change." should be applicable to games in Early Access, pages based on Open Beta releases, those that have had demos released, and released (mostly multiplayer focused) games that get new content (including firearms) with some regularity. For the picture, some kind of (unit) patch for a play on (software) patch, or gen 1 Glock to a more modern Glock. -VladVladson (talk) 21:00, 6 July 2022 (EDT)

I daresay the existing ongoing template might be a good basis to make this proposed new template, if not perhaps just tweak that one a bit for this purpose. Eh StanTheMan (talk) 23:01, 6 July 2022 (EDT)

Time Traveling Guns, an article based on IMFDB researches

I came across an article Time Traveling Guns about anachronistic guns in films, that heavily relies on IMFDB content (with proper references). The article mentions Browning M1919 in Lawrence of Arabia, Browning M1917 in The Wild Bunch, MG42 in A Fistful of Dynamite and other similar issues. It's good to see that out work is not in vain. It would be even better if this material was read by filmmakers to avoid such mistakes in the future :) --Greg-Z (talk) 07:44, 12 July 2022 (EDT)

Issues with IMFDB Accounts Reported by Multiple Users

To IMFDB staff members:

I was recently contacted by a user on Discord named Killerwolf, who stated that they were the ones who applied for the account User:Killerwolf in 2017. They stated that after applying for the IMFDB account, and after the account was approved by IMFDB, they never received a confirmation email from IMFDB. When they tried to use their username to reset their password, they did not receive a password change email either. As such, despite having an approved account on IMFDB, they cannot log into their account, and is unable to contribute to IMFDB.

In my research surrounding this issue, I came across the post "Regarding a user" posted by User:Ultimate94ninja on the talk page of IMFDB staff Bunni. They reported a scenario similar to Killerwolf's situation: a user applied for an account, the account was created, but they never received a confirmation email, and could not reset their password, and like Killerwolf, had to contact an IMFDB user from off site to forward their issues to the IMFDB staff. It is clear then that Killerwolf's situation is not a one-off occurrence; it is possible that multiple users who wanted to contribute to IMFDB, and requested for accounts to do so, could not contribute to IMFDB in the end, so because their accounts are broken during their creation and they cannot log in to them.

Given these similar reports of "missing confirmation email" during the account creation process, I would like to ask several questions regarding account creation on IMFDB to hopefully resolve the issues for these IMFDB users.

  1. What are the specific procedures behind account creation on IMFDB?
  2. What is making Killerwolf and others unable to confirm their accounts and change their passwords?
  3. What can we do to resolve their issues?

--Wuzh (talk) 19:08, 15 July 2022 (EDT)

To top it all off: apparently email confirmation letters don't get sent even to registered users (case in point: changed the email yesterday to the one i use currently and yet there is no message on neither old nor current address)Lunar Watcher (talk) 20:34, 15 July 2022 (EDT)
Bumping, it's kind of a sorry state that no administrator is taking this seriously. It might be me but it does seem like a lot of prospective/new users aren't making edits, which may be evidence of initial login issues.--AgentGumby (talk) 21:05, 25 July 2022 (EDT)
I will note that there are numerous users who register only to read the site, since those registered don't suffer from an abundance of advertising (alas, this is a necessary evil).--Greg-Z (talk) 01:21, 26 July 2022 (EDT)
The issue is that many popular free email services are blocking our domain, so emails from @imfdb.org are not getting through, going to spam, etc. Emails are being sent, but they are being filtered by the email providers. This is not something we have much control over. I've purchased an account with a new email provider and will try to set that up this weekend; but I think it's our domain, not our email hosting. --bunni (talk) 20:52, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
Thank you so much for your explanation. I will be informing this to Killerwolf. --Wuzh (talk) 20:59, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
Just to add, we do know some emails are getting through, because some new accounts can still confirm their email, get password reset emails, etc. --bunni (talk) 21:05, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
Still working on this. Purchased a new email server account but the setup is hitting lots of technical issues. Waiting on a reply from their support. --bunni (talk) 13:57, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
Any updates regarding the email server? --Wuzh (talk) 03:46, 4 August 2022 (EDT)

Is there anything we can do to help out with the email issue? We really need this issue to be resolved as soon as possible. --Wuzh (talk) 22:15, 22 August 2022 (EDT)

Pistol ID?

I'm screencapping the Maggie Q action film The Protege (my first time screencapping Blu-ray) and came across a pistol I don't recognize, and ideas? First thought was a Caracal, but is has a hammer. A quick scroll through the Pistol category didn't turn up any possibles I saw. Thanks--Mandolin (talk) 12:38, 24 August 2022 (EDT)

Protege pistol 1.jpg
CZ SHADOW 2 with a gray or khaki frame.--AgentGumby (talk) 13:08, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
Ah, thanks. I'd considered CZ75 but it didn't look quite right, didn't realize it could have the one-notch rail.--Mandolin (talk) 13:26, 24 August 2022 (EDT)

No more forum?

It is a glitch because of the update or is the forum no more? --Jcordell (talk) 06:16, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Nothing has changed on the forum, it's just not linked in the Sidebar anymore. Working on a new hosted solution so we don't have to manager the forum server and software anymore. --bunni (talk) 07:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay. thanks for the update. --Jcordell (talk) 12:41, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

No more special characters in titles - this is a disaster

A lot of French, German, Czech, Romanian etc. titles that contain special characters, as well as titles with quotation marks, are now broken. It's just a nightmare. Now do we have to rename all such pages manually and edit all links to them? --Greg-Z (talk) 06:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

It's not clear to me yet. The wiki software complained about these characters after the update, and I think think they're no longer allowed on Wikipedia, but User:Wuzh was able to move a Broken page back with the umlaut in the title: Brügger & Thomet. Either way I don't think we should be moving these by hand, there's 1600 broken pages, I will write a script to do the move. --bunni (talk) 07:10, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Thank you so much! I was really shocked to imagine the scope of this work. --Greg-Z (talk) 07:14, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

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