Talk:Burn Notice - Season 6

Please help ID(Updated)

Not sure about the black rifle. Please help. Could it be a Bushmaster ACR? --Ben41 18:04, 8 August 2012 (CDT)

Looks like an ACR to me, too. -MT2008 21:23, 12 August 2012 (CDT)

Nickel 1911

In the second screenshot it looks like it has Colt rollmarks, just because it has the full length guide rod does not make it not a Colt pistol as the full length guide rod could have been installed after purchase. --cool-breeze 03:05, 16 June 2012 (CDT)

There's also a quick shot when Michael picks it up that it shows Colt on the magazine. I know it's not conclusive but just as compelling FWIW. I'm also inclined to believe the guide rod is aftermarket. I'm having trouble coming up with 1911 manufacturers that include a stainless guide rod stock yet have all other "vanilla" features like a standard (non-beavertailed) grip or raised sights. I think Norinco MIGHT make a 1911 like that, but the information is really unreliable. - IGemini 19:52, 22 June 2012 (CDT)

Glock

Does anyone else think that the Glock used in the season 6 premier is a Glock 19, not a 17? --Mormonpowerranger521

I'm with you. It looks to short to be a Glock 17. Puppet.of.fate 12:30, 16 June 2012 (CDT)

I agree.----JazzBlackBelt-- 13:38, 16 June 2012 (CDT)

3rd Generation Glock 19 - 9x19mm

The guard holds his pistol on an "injured" Michael. (S6E01)

New guns

Since nobody's worked on this page for a while, a few observations about new guns in the series:

• (1.) Jesse seems to have started using a rail-frame, stainless P226R (updating his sidearm choice slightly) in this season, though I also thought it appeared at least once last season.

• (2.) Episode 6x06 prominently featured Smith & Wesson M&P-15 rifles with dark earth furniture. I think this may be the first time that the M&P-15 has appeared in Hollywood.

-MT2008 10:53, 27 July 2012 (CDT)

I noticed the rifles you mentioned, but from the glimpses I've seen at least one looked like it had Magpul furniture. I'll probably re-watch it and see.----JazzBlackBelt-- 23:25, 28 July 2012 (CDT)

What makes you think this is an M&P-15, from what I can see it is just an M4 with Magpul furniture. Are there any unique features that make this an M&P-15 rather than a Colt gun? Anyway, the M&P-15 MOE (the version with the Magpul furniture) has a 16" barrel whereas this gun has the standard M4 14.5" barrel. --commando552 12:33, 29 July 2012 (CDT)

Fair enough, you might be right, although I'm pretty sure that they make LE versions of the M&P-15 that have 14.5" barrels. Though it also doesn't seem to have the correct markings on the magazine well... -MT2008 13:21, 29 July 2012 (CDT)

Some shots of the rifle, is it in MP15? No MP logo? --Ben41 18:29, 29 July 2012 (CDT)

In "Shock Wave" (S6E06), the Smith & Wesson MP15 is seen carried by some of the men employed by Garret Hartley (William Mapother).

"Shock Wave" (S6E06)

"Shock Wave" (S6E06)

I guess that for now, we should just put that it's an M4 with Magpul furniture, as Commando pointed out. -MT2008 19:20, 29 July 2012 (CDT)

That is a Bushmaster ACR MOE M4-Type Carbine User:JavierMdR

M4A1

Michael's CIA trainer Tom Card (John C. McGinley) readies an M4A1 with an EOTech sight outside Kemp's house in "Mixed Messages" (S06E02).

This is clearly not an M4A1, as it only has a two-position fire selector, Safe and Fire. Judging by the barrel length on some of the rifles listed under M4A1, I think that they might actually be Colt LE Carbines. --SmithandWesson36 19:51, 29 July 2012 (CDT)

It has a 14.5" barrel so I think it should be classified as an M4. It is hard to tell from some of the camera angles, but I think all of the weapons have 14.5" barrels other than the first two pictures (and possibly the one for "Split Decision") which have 16" barrels making them LE6920 Colt Law Enforcement Carbines. In terms of film/TV weapos you really cannot judge them by the lower receiver, as the majority of weapons will be civilian semi auto weapons that have either had the lower replaced with a different full auto one or have had the sear swapped out to convert them to auto. In this case as the lower only has the semi markings, that would probably make it (assuming it is a colt gun) an LE6921, also called the M4LE Carbine. As it is impossible to tell these LE M4s from military M4s without seeing the selector markings (and most of the time they will be depicted as full auto guns), I think these should be listed as M4s. --commando552 07:26, 30 July 2012 (CDT)

Jesse's SIG

I'm not convinced that this is a P226, look at the lack of double stack bulges in this picture-

Jesse with the pistol in question.

But I've checked it out before and I came to the conclusion that it was a P226, but then I saw that picture...other thoughts?----JazzBlackBelt-- 16:58, 11 August 2012 (CDT)

From the first screenshot it looks like it could be a .45, my guess would be a newer P220:

SIG-Sauer P220ST - .45 ACP

--commando552 18:26, 11 August 2012 (CDT)

Yeah, I think you're right, it is a P220. Although what's weird is that when this gun first appeared in Season 5, it was a P226:

Jesse with his P226 in "Damned If You Do" (S5E13).

Here, you can see the double-stack bulges on the frame if you look carefully, IDing it as a 226. I guess I would have figured that the armorer would have used the same gun both seasons, but maybe the 226 wasn't available when they started filming this season. Also, ISS has had rail-frame P220STs in inventory for a while now (they first started showing up on TV as far back as Season 2 of NCIS). -MT2008 11:08, 12 August 2012 (CDT)

Yep, the one in this picture is definitely a 226. But that was in Season 5. I'm thinking that maybe the show switched armorers this season (or the same armorer changed his inventory), because there are some subtle differences in the guns this season. Such as Mike's P30 now has a shaved hammer and the P226 became a P220, and I bet there are some others we haven't found yet. I'm pretty sure the Magpul furniture on the M4's is new, as well as the P556 hybrid thing. As the season continues, there might be some other new stuff.----JazzBlackBelt-- 21:05, 12 August 2012 (CDT)

OK, I did some research, and it turns out you're correct. For the past five seasons, the show got its weapons from Independent Studio Services (ISS) in California, and a guy named Andrew Wert was the main armorer. As of Season 6, the show's guns are rented from Weapons Specialists, Ltd. (now just The Specialists) in New York, and Ryan Washburn is the new weapons masters. I'm guessing that this explains the changes in weapons that you have pointed out. -MT2008 21:19, 12 August 2012 (CDT)

Alright, that's interesting. I browsed through their website and found a stainless P220 (no stainless P226), a MOE M4, and a "two tone" SG 552 (the P556 hybrid), so this is definitely the armorer. I didn't see the P30 or Kahr T9, but I'm sure their website isn't perfectly up to date.----JazzBlackBelt-- 21:36, 12 August 2012 (CDT)

Kahr in Episode 8

I have no idea what kind of Kahr this is, but it's definitely way too big for a K9.----JazzBlackBelt-- 17:01, 11 August 2012 (CDT)

Mike with the unknown Kahr.

It is it's "tactical" brother with a 4" barrel and longer grip, the T9:

Kahr T9 - 9x19mm

--commando552 18:23, 11 August 2012 (CDT)