Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

Note: This talk page is for discussion related to the article. Do not use it to argue about how H&K pwnz Colt, it is safe to say nobody cares.

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USP

Wouldn't the USP be a USP teactical. The tacticals have threaded barrels as present on the in game USPs. Or are they some kind of hybrid because they don't use the tactical sights?ShaDow XPS

The USP in game is a normal USP .45, the only difference is the threaded barrel. The Tactical has a bunch of other differences including the sights. Alex T Snow 01:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

That's my point. Since it has both the characteristics of a tactical and a normal USP would it be a hybrid?ShaDow XPS

Maybe, let's call it a USP .45 Custom then. Alex T Snow 23:13, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Now that I take a closer look at it, the slide has sights that look more like the HK45 than the USP. Spartan198 21:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Archive?

I think it's getting to be time to archive this talk page and start fresh, considering it's 166 kb long? Spartan198 11:59, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

FAMAS ironsights

I have identified the ironsights used on the FAMAS in-game. They are folding rail-mounted BUIS from Midwest Industries. Interestingly, they are also the standard sights that come with the RobArms XCR (which I really wish was in more games).

ACR

Since it's the military version in-game, shouldn't it be referred to as the Remington ACR? Spartan198 05:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, wait, it is. Never Mind. Spartan198 05:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Its being made by bushmaster. Why the remington logo?

Bushmaster is making the semi-auto only civilian version, Remington is making the selective-fire military/LE version. Spartan198 10:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

really? i thought remington bought the ACR from them completely scarecrow 03:20, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Interesting news. The ACR has now been officially released and it the ACR in MW2 is a fake combination of parts. The ACR Basic Configuration has the original handguard from the Magpul Masada, but a different skeleton stock similar to the Magpul MOE or CTR stocks. The ACR Enhanced Configuration has the new squared-off CR handguard with rails and the more iconic ACR stock. The ACR in-game, however, has the ACR Basic handguard (don't be fooled by the fact that there are rails, it's just the original Masada handguard with rails attached) and the ACR Enhanced stock. I'd call it a Magpul Masada, seeing as the trademarks and such aren't discernible as anything real. --Strategos 19:34, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Taped Mags

I noticed that several of the assualt rifles have tape wrapped around the magazines, is this for a specific reason or just a choice made by the makers? Death

Lots of soldiers in the army tape the ends of their mags to distinguish theirs from a buddies, or the mags that they actually bought if they feel their issued ones were overused or sub par. Some also put grip tape so sweaty hands don't slip when pulling them from their pouches. I'm sure game designers saw this and included it. User:Winglebest

i thought that so whether you put the mag in bottom up or not, you'd know which end to put into the magazine well.

anyone who's been properly trained with firearms wouldn't do that. Full magazines always go into the pouch with the brass facing down.

Weapon on newspaper

Hey for anyone who has played the game,do you think the rifle from the newspaper they showed when talking about Makarov should be included?

I personally wouldn't have any issue with it. Spartan198 10:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Alrigh good, maybe someone will post a picture up on the internet andwe could add that

post at 9 January 2010 --Kin93 14:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

this is Daewoo K2

Daewoo K2 Assault rifle - 5.56mm

Daewoo K2 Assault rifle - 5.56mm

but where have IMI Galil ? the left Ultra-nationalist with a Galil ?

Suggestions

I think the page needs the F2000 and TAR-21 with their special sights. Also, if anyone is looking for a screen of the M14 EBR with nothing attached, there's one in the spec ops mission where you breach the gulag wall. Oh, and we need the GP-25 included. --24.63.181.248 19:40, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

The TAR-21 on the page already has a MARS sight on it. And the F2000 on the page is the same version used in the game. Spartan198 03:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

There are no in-game screens of the MARS sight and the F2000's standard scope is in the game as the RDS in multiplayer, or "scoped" in singleplayer.

http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:F2000FP.jpg

No one ever went through with this? --24.63.181.248 22:42, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

winchester 1887 loading animation

Is it supposed to load through reciever like that? \

Yes -The Winchester

Sort of. The animation shows the rounds being placed in the upper tube (the barrel) rather than the lower tube (the magazine). The Wierd It 15:51, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

It is wierd, but 1887's do load that way. When you pull the cocking lever down the top of the breech kind of rolls back and opens. The shells slip into the breech, past the chamber and down into the tube magazine below the barrel. They're slow and a little clumsy to reload IRL. You have to push the shell down into the magazine tube past the stop with your thumb. You can get a close look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE9WD9Fihks

This one looks like the cowboy action shooter style thats made to quickly load 2 shots, usually custom jobs but I believe Legacy Arms -> Puma Arms is currently selling one. Since in cowboy action shooting you can only have a maximum of 2 rounds in a shotgun. 24.177.167.87Pawnstar

Price's 1911

Actually its in the game it can be picked up and used in the museum, don't know about MP though.

• It's not featured in MP, it's exclusive to the single player level Museum, though I have heard you can find it during an early mission, much in the same way as to how the desert eagle in MW was found on Crew Expendable (the only one in the entire SP campaign btw). Apparently on one of the loading screens, it details the weapon as a GI 1911 (unsure of the manufactuer) compared to what it was in Modern Warfare, a Springfield Armoury 1911 Professional model. Draco122

On one of the loading scenes I think it said it was a colt.

The one used by price is a springer pro, colt's just a more recognizable name to put in loading screens.

Yeah, most definitely NOT a Colt. Spartan198 02:29, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not arguing about the policies of IMFDB, or what the 1911 is listed as, but it is possible that the 1911 in-game is a Colt. Just look at "The Punisher (2004)" page and take a good look at his custom pistols. They started out as standard Colt 1911's and ended up like that with all the upgrades put on it. Give me a standard Colt and enough money and I can promise you I'll make it look just like the 1911 in game. Mandaloin 06:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

And the logic in making a Colt look exactly like a Springer Pro is...? Spartan198 00:40, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

To validate my argument. Or if you find yourself the owner of a standard Colt 1911 and wish to make it look and function better without buying a new gun. The military was thinking along the same lines with the MEU SOC. Mandaloin 12:42, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

M93R

There is a confirmation of the M93R machine pistol to be unlocked in MW2 online as confirmed in this video at the bottom of this page

http://modernwarfare247.com/news/multiplayer-unlocks - Madax XX

CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW TO ADD PICTURES ONTO A PAGE ?????????????

Somebody change the part where it says "Beretta 92FS converted to burst-fire," it's obviously a Beretta M93R are and not a 92FS. --Frostbite249 13:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)-

No, it's a 92. The weapon in game has the safety mounted on the slide, like the 92, whereas the 93 has it mounted on the frame. The Wierd It 14:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Sure that's fine and all, but at least clear it up so there's no misunderstandings - I mean it says "converted to full auto" when in-game, it's only 3 round burst. --Frostbite249 13:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Then maybe "converted to selective fire" is a bit better wording? Spartan198 08:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Who saw this video, 92, FS or SB?

The video with the Beretta M9, Ive not seen, Is it a 92 FS or SB?, i mean this isn't my site but still putting M9 just make's it as noobs are running the place, lol sorry, so who has the link to the video?

• It is impossible to understand it from video. The only place this pistol appears is shown on the screenshot, the trigger guard is not seen, so i decided to discribe it as military modification, M9. I don't think, that it is a big problem for you to write what is this pistol realy is, whan we will have a better view.

Didn't mean to offended you, it's just most people come to this site to get correct info on weapons, but i suppose putting M9 isn't that bad considering that its the correct name, i just feel its lack of info.

Its the 92SB again, you can tell on its Create-A-Class picture

Airsoft

I like airsoft as much as the next guy, but we already have pictures of real M4A1s and MP5Ks on the site, so no need to replace them with pics of airsoft replicas. Spartan198 11:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but the "real" M4A1s and MP5Ks in the game don't look like those pictures; for the sake of identification, wouldn't it just be simpler to use images that at least look like the weapons from the game, whether they're real or not? Besides, there are plenty of other pages that use airsoft images, so why should this one be an exception?

Biggest part of airsoft pictures used on this site are of guns we don't have pictures of. As you can see on the M16 and MP5 pages, we have plenty of pictures of the real things, so no need to add airsoft replicas to the page instead. Whether or not they're equipped with a specific rail system or not is moot, since the rail systems in question are pictured beneath the weapons and the addition of them on the weapons doesn't change anything. An M4 is still an M4 and an MP5K is still an MP5K. Spartan198 21:27, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

There has always been guns we see in movies that have been customized and don't look like the stock photos of the gun unmodded. It's best to have a picture of the real thing than a fake that LOOKS like the one used in the movie. Excalibur01 16:58, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Then shouldn't all the other airsoft pictures (such as the Custom 1911 seen on the MGS4 page and the Cutlass on the Black Lagoon page, and even the Springfield Armory M1911 on CoD4's and MW2's page) be replaced with stock pictures? If you're gonna insist on this, you might as well go all the way.

As I've already pointed out, biggest part of airsoft pictures used on this site are of guns we don't have pictures of. So those images are there because we don't have pics of the real things. Spartan198 23:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

For the record, I'm in favor of pictures of the weapons modded or detailed as they are seen in the movie or game. Chances are the link takes you to the base page for them anyway, so you can see a picture of the real deal. Someone might be looking for a picture of the gun that is identical to how it is in the film or game. Whether it's airsoft or not to me seems moot as long as it is the weapon in question. Of course, no orange tips, please. -- ZG

The problem I have with all Airsoft guns is that they all scream "FAKE!" to those of us who spend alot of time around the real thing. Now as placeholders until we get a real weapon image I don't mind as it's a placeholder. Useing an airsoft gun insted of a real firearm that we have an image of that I just don't like. We do get the occational screem used weapon here and even when those have been beat to hell they are much better than the most realistic airsoft gun.--Rockwolf66 16:48, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Replaced the airsoft M4A1 with the pic of a real one yet again. It doesn't matter whether it looks exactly like it does in-game or not. An M4A1 is an M4A1, regardless of what it looks like. Spartan198 17:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

But if you could find a picture of what it looks like exactly in the game, wouldn't you use it? -- ZG

The inclusion of a few tacticool accessories is not enough of a reason to waste server space on even more photos of a weapon we already have a number of photos of. For the third time, an M4A1 is an M4A1 regardless of what kind of rail system and whatnot is on it. Spartan198 14:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I (not that it matters) am perfectly fine with pictures of the real deal and I love the effort that's gone into posting such great screenshots. I just hope the trend keeps with noting what particular accessories are present. I'm one of those douchebags that sees guns in the movies and thinks "Golly! I want mine to look just like that!" In any case, I love the site and it hasn't let me down yet. -- ZG

Nothing at all wrong with noting what kind of accessories are used and by no means does it make you (or anyone else) a douchebag. I mean, flashlights, IR and visible lasers, optics... all that stuff is awesome. I just think it's unnecessary (as well as a waste of server space) to have multiple pics of one weapon customized in multiple different ways each for a few specific pages when one pic of the weapon in its standard configuration can be used on all pages, with minor differences noted in the descriptory paragraph. Spartan198 02:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I'm all for the efficient use of resources and I come here for info and screenshots anyway. I wasn't necessarily against airsoft pictures but I do see it a different way now. In the spirit of full disclosure, however, I really am quite a douchebag. -- ZG

Lol XD Well, they do say honesty is golden... Spartan198 09:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Planned Weapons

Where did the informatio for most of these planned weapons come from??

No idea, and no one has posted any sources, and there's no way to edit it now. Maybe if another multiplayer video shows up, someone with some authority will notice them and can remove them. I mean, really, the XM8? COD4 never had it and that came out when it was still showing up in every "realistic" FPS.--24.63.181.248 22:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

IMHO, the XM8 is way overused in video games today. I'm glad IW shied away from it in favor of weapons like the ACR/Masada, that actually got beyond prototype stage. Spartan198 12:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

the acr isnt past prototype stage

No, it just isn't widely available yet, but it is beyond prototype stage. Spartan198 07:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

The ACR is actually being produced by both Bushmaster and Remington. It's already being marketed and available to purchase Excalibur01 15:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The ACR is not yet available for purchase (if it was, I'd already own one), Cerberus (the supergroup that owns both Remington and Bushmaster) is ramping up production on the rifles. The design is, however, complete, and one of the weapons was given away to a civilian recently as part of a raffle. It is expected to compete in an upcoming US Army rifle test.

Winchester 1887

Is the Winchester 1887 actually confirmed for the game? If it is, you can pretty much create a T2 class with that shotgun, the thumper, juggernaut, stopping power and something else that suits Arnie:P - Madax XXI 12:28

Yup, it's in there. I'm totally gonna have a Terminator 2 online kit. Spartan198 10:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

It's definetely confirmed now, and with the big cocking loop and sawnoff stock and barrel too, only a hint of Terminator 2 fanboyism from IW there.... Can't wait to try it though. M14fanboy 18:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I found it in campaign a minute ago and it really sucks-S&Wshooter 01:41, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

^^^I think it's pretty good, I'm stoked to get it online.

Same here, I heard it has fairly good range and damaged when stacked up to the other shotguns, it just has a slower ROF, due to the lever action. you can dual wield them though, which says something. M14fanboy

It's one of the only shotguns with the furthest range out of the lot in MP, this and steady aim and it's a monster in it's own. Like you said M14, it has a low ROF and the second smallest capacity next to the ranger Draco122 21:06, 26 November 2009

Actually it doesn't. I picked an 1887 up off a dead guy today, and was amazed. first thing is, that it has stunning range. Easily the best, can hit damn close to 50 feet. It holds 7 shots in MP as well, and you can dual wield them, cocking them T2 style. It's a beast of a shotgun, and I can't wait to unlock it for myself. M14fanboy

Isn't this weapon the Winchester 1897 shotgun, originally designed for trench warfare and used by the US military thru Vietnam (and plenty are still in use by civilians in the US). In playing COD 5: World at War, I haven't found the shotguns to be particularly effective. The Japanese NPCs are often so quick (esp in the higher difficulty level) that they are on you before you can chamber another round (esp in the section of the game where you have to destroy a howitzer with a 3 barreled 25mm AA gun and quickly take up a covered position to eliminate the Japanese counter-attack using a scoped Springfield). Two Japanese soldiers immediately attack you. I was killed more often using the shotgun than using the Type 100 or the .30 belt-fed machine gun--whose name just eluded me.

As for COD6:MW2, I have yet to run into the 1897. With so many high tech weapons (and the bewildering array of Russian weapons in the Sgt Roach and Pvt Ramirez sections), why bother with such an obsolete weapon given the effectiveness of the ASC45 (?) that's standard issue for Rangers & Special Forces, esp when there are smg/shotgun combos available. Or the incredible arsenal in Makarov's safe house?

Newsjunkie356 23:58, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

It's not an 1897, it's an 1887, being lever-action not pump-action. That and it's styled after the Terminator 2 shotgun anyway.The Wierd It 09:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

M1014 Removal?

Should we remove the section on the M1014 in this game? There hasnt been any confirmation of it appearing in game, aside from the misplaced icon.

No, it has been confirmed now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKwaOg7RYPo

Any Ideas On The .44 Magnum

I think its either a Raging bull or a colt anaconda. both look quite simmlar but im thinkin it more a colt anaconda than a raging bull reason being that the the magnum in game look as if it has smaller vents were as the raging bull as quite thick vents. --Final Tsurugi 22:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

On the Call of Duty wikipedia website it said it was a colt anaconda

Link plz? --Final Tsurugi 22:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Found a video on youtube where they switch classes revealing a .44 magnum on 0:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xv37FiiOAk

Clean Up Page

I cleaned up the main page, but i can change it back if any one want's. --Final Tsurugi 21:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I noticed that FourZeroTwo has a gun on his back before getting knifed, that you missed. It appears to be a PP-2000, please correct me if I'm wrong

http://www.modernwarfare247.com/weapons/sub-machine-guns/pp-2000

You could be right, but Ive got a hunch it could be a MP7, which seems more likely. But from what we can see its hard to tell. (thx also :)

No problem, I just love MW and MW2 and had to point that out, but I didnt know who to talk to about it. Great site, too:) I learned loads about guns, like the difference between a Beretta and a Taurus:) - Terry 00:06

I was right about the PP-2000!:) - Terry 23:30

I was like "Sure" when i saw your above post, then i look at the pic of the PP-2000 akimbo, and was like "FUCK" cool any way m8 :)

Bullet Types

What is this about the Tavor being loaded with FMJ's? Is this supposed to mean that along with choosing weapon attachments, we also get to choose bullet types? - Mythekal

A bit too confusing now lol, I'm thinking it will just be a perk, because if im right fmj's give higher velocities, but i couldn't see how this would affect the game, in cod 4 all bullets moved at the same speeds?

Where do you get the info that FMJ give higher velocities? just curious?

What i understand is that FMJ are solid bullets and the only bullets "allowed" in warfare from the Hague Conventions.

True, but but a "Black" operation such as this would hardly be concerned with the rules of "conventional warfare." =P

The Theory behind JHP (Jacketed Hollow Points) is that upon impact of the target the nose of the bullet mushrooms to a much larger size the then original diameter(caliber) of the bullet causing a larger wound channel and more "stopping power"

The downside to this is that since JHP expand during impact the force of the bullet is dispersed over a larger area on the target making these bullets less likely to pierce body armor, also some HP bullets give certain firearms trouble when cycling this ammo. my 1911 for instance... =)

Your 1911's feeding of hollow point has to do with the type of 1911 usually. Different kinds of feeding ramps I'm told. My series 70 Gold cup has the same problem but my Springfield TRP feeds just fine. FMJ's moving at Higher velocities has to do with air drag, hollow points would create more of it. As others have said hope this helps, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong.

But basically all bullets work well for their intended applications. its just that in this day and age there are so many options for a person to use its just matching the bullet to the task. Hunting, Target, Match, Self-defense, Low recoil or "Cowboy" Loads, Plinking. Its endless. -Furious Oyster (feel free to expand or remove if incorrect or unnecessary, just trying to help)

well... I didn't exactly want a bullet discussion, i was just wondering how this would affect the game, like if infinity ward would make it horrible and make stuff like hollow points do something like 4 times damage but only go as far as a "Call of Duty Shotgun". - Mythekal

"Where do you get the info that FMJ give higher velocities? just curious?"- I just read alot on firearms :P but i remember coming across it?

As far as i know there is an international convention that bans the use of hollow point bullets and other expanding bullets for millitary purposes.

That would be the Hague Convention. But from what I understand, it bans their use against state-employed combatants only, leaving them fair game for counter-terrorism ops and the like. Spartan198 02:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

FMJs could be like the perk "Deep Impact"?

They are an attachment for the guns that gives them a little extra damage and better penetration through walls too.

Extended Magazines Attachments

Thought it was pretty cool, but will it be like a drum mag or something like bandolier, what ever it is i hope it applies to assault rifles.

Could be a dual mag clip, so you can reload faster. M14fanboy 00:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Magazine dammit!-Oliveira 21:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

He said a clip that holds two magazines together for a speedier reload - Mythekal

Huh. i never heard of that before. Good point, Mythekal.

Lol its still a mag Mythekal!

its usually just a metal or plastic part that latches to both mags allowing you to just pull out the used one move it to the left and reinsert the fresh mag... Some times its just a piece of tape. Google AR-15 mag couplers or something. -Furious Oyster (Sorry miss read it)

I knew what a dual mag clip is, i was merely trying to explain it to who ever thought that M14Fan said "Clip" instead of Magazine. And here is a picture to avoid further confusion. -Mythekal

There better be an attachment like this for the AA-12, cause its gonna get really annoying reloading that lousy 8-shot magazine every five seconds after unloading on someone lol-ArmoredMason619

Apparently the extended mags are exactly what you think. They take the standard magazines of any gun and just add like 10 more rounds to it. I don't know about the reload animation, but most likely it's the same. Excalibur01 17:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

the extended mags look exactly the same and reload the same they've just got more rounds- red raindog

Barret .50

At the end of the Flag Runner video FourZeroTwo has a Barret M82. May not be, but it looks like one and sounds like one, it's a little blurry so i wasn't sure? -Final Tsurugi

It looks like a Barrett XM500 - Mythekal

How did i not notice that, actually might be a Barrett M99? - Final Tsurugi

Or it could be the M107, the updated M82. ][[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy] 01:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

It wasnt the M99 because it was firing semi-automatically, and from the angle, the magazine was not visible, so i assume it was a bullpup - Mythekal

It is a Barret M82/M107, if you pause the video at the right moment you can see the magazine in front of the grip, i actually got excited to think we might have a bull-pup sniper in Modern Warfare 2 :P -Final Tsurugi

Nope. Youre all wrong, I mean you got the .50BMG part right, but its actually an Accuracy International AS50. Come on guys I cant be the only one who noticed that-Kellers357 I'm almost positive that it is not an AI. It is just a M107 mythekal

Most definitely a Barret 82/M107. Spartan198 02:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

It is an M82A1, just like in COD4. M107's actually larger than the M82, but has less recoil because of its internal design. --Frostbite249 13:42, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Brazillian Militia?

They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the BOPE or i am not buying it.-Oliveira 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I actually like that causal outfit the militia wear :)

Me too. I never seen a brazilian wear a 1980s Miami Vice style flower shirt, but i do like how they have militia wearing Brazilian football team shirts. Makes it more realistic. I like the flower shirts though. They are cheesy as hell. It fits the game. Also, Please sign your posts.-Oliveira 21:14, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah Miami vice ftw :) --Final Tsurugi 21:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Guns from the new teaser

This SMG looks like a Heckler & Koch MP-10.

Heckler & Koch MP-10

File:MW2teastrail1.png

I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.

It could be a K with the forward grip removed? Spartan198

no, its an MP5K equipped with some sort of an RIS handguard to me-Kellers357

looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though

File:MW2teastrail2.png

And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).

--PhantomT1412 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~Revolver

its a UMP with the foresight removed for the red dot-Kellers357

The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.

The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--PhantomT1412 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.ShaDow XPS

Magazine goddamit!Oliveira 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.

.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --Joffeloff 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.

Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm

The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.

Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--PhantomT1412 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.ShaDow XPS

Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP

ShaDow XPS

I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)

--PhantomT1412 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?ShaDow XPS

Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns
They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--PhantomT1412 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

It has to be a MP5k with a rail. The short magazine,no stock, and small flashider make it the only possible variant.

what AK is this?

http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387 http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387 http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387

In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. 72.133.253.21 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Guns from the trailer

File:MW2brazil.png

FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?

I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter

Could be a variant of the KTR-03S - an AK custom build [1]. - MCain (UTC)

Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.Oliveira 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--PhantomT1412 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.Oliveira 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--PhantomT1412 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.Oliveira 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.Oliveira 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-S&Wshooter)

I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.Oliveira 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.Oliveira 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- S&Wshooter 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil. The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round Charon68

And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.Oliveira 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-S&Wshooter

I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:

A real M14.

I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.Oliveira 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--PhantomT1412 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.

Oliveira 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.Oliveira 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents

Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-Oliveira 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

File:MW2smg.png

File:MW2Brazilpistol.png

--PhantomT1412 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

• A Kriss Super V?

Does anyone know who the guy with the KRISS is? Im calling him Brazilian Secret Service but I'm sure Im wrong. Help?-Kellers357 Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor

I think the pistol is a Jericho 941 since it's too small to be a desert eagle.Oliveira 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.

I concur. It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots. It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver. On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy. Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best. This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing. ---Clutch 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.

Besides, the game is still going through production and the weapon models will be touched up. --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 02:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

The machine gun

I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.Oliveira 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--PhantomT1412 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?

Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.Oliveira 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Well the M240B has been added just look at the new multiplayer trailer. IGN rewind theater confirms it too. could someone add it on the main article? -Mandaloin

New AK

File:AKMW2.png

I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard. Found a similar image:

Rock and Metal 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.Oliveira 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.Oliveira 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--PhantomT1412 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.Oliveira 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I said "NATO forces"--PhantomT1412 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.

Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.Oliveira 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. Rock and Metal 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.Oliveira 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--PhantomT1412 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-Oliveira 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

• It's gotta be an AKM.

Why the it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-Oliveira 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.

But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-Oliveira 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-RedJedRevolver

I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-Oliveira 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-RedJedRevolver

It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.

Guys, I guess it's new railed AK-103 from Izhmash with M4ish buttstock and waffled mags. Check the link below for pics, note the same muzzle brake etc as in the game. new AK-103

That link goes to a pay-to-download site. Spartan198 09:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Unrealeted

Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.Oliveira 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you expect? It's Something Awful!

To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.

Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.Rockwolf66 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.Oliveira 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Hopes For New Game

Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.

What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-S&Wshooter 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.

I knew that. I was just kidding-S&Wshooter 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.

The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.Oliveira 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the "Surpressors", and "Ghillie Suits" but really was a "Greek Tragedy" on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions "Blackout" and "All Ghillied Up"? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments "No Attachment" has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the "No Attachment" feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has "No Attachment" for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.

I hope they get more shotguns in and make them a tiny bit better.m3,870,m1300,m950,etc. Two shotguns that go 5 feet suck, especially when pistols can go as far as sniper rifles.

• If they added compensators to the attachments for handguns would be cool. It sucks that there's only one attachment for pistols in MW1, and the D-Eagle hasnt got anything that can be put on it, and that sucks even more. Maybe different calibers for the D-Eagles could be used too, but that might be going too far. And I hope theres an SG552 in there aswell, I love that gun so much. And if they added firing selection to the game, you could switch the SPAS from pump to semi auto, which would also be cool, and a touch more realistic.

More Desert Eagle is the last thing this game needs. Seriously, why not a SIG 226 or HK45 instead (i.e., an actual combat pistol)? One thing I want for sure is a freaking fire selector for assault rifles and carbines. Like has been said on the CoD4 page, full auto or bust sucks. I prefer quick double tapping on semi-auto. Spartan198 11:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

My hopes for this game? An automatic FAMAS; leave the 3-round burst to the M16. Also, a true M14. As for everything else, well, the only thing I was worried about from the onset was the RPD, but since it's been confirmed, I'm ecstatic. And I like how they're doing the secondary weapon thing. Having a shotgun as your primary could be pretty useless sometimes...Run its a T-55 21:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC) -you no what, they need to make a real "modern warfare" game, like with acts going from Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, and hell Somalia, who wouldnt want to play a blackhawk down game with kick ass graphics AND guns, that is what cod7 should be and obviously with the real weaponry they had, ex- no Magpul Masada in vietnam, Sad but true, any agree with this?- Griz

Winchester 1200

We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?

The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.Oliveira 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.

Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun in video game history atleast by now.Oliveira 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Watching over the video again on youtube and moderwarfare2.com, the weapon does look like a Winchester 1200 at first glance, yet I'm also convinced it may be a Remington 870 MCS, either in the Entry configuration or the Patrol Configuration due to the length of the barrel or it maybe the combination of the two, due to the length of the barrel with an added entry front sight. Draco122 22:15, 11 August 2009

Alright

Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.Oliveira 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Here they come:

File:MW2AR1.png

--PhantomT1412 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC) YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor

Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-Oliveira 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --Blemo 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Which trailer?-Oliveira 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

gameplay demo

did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2 it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?

It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.Oliveira 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

some says it's a SCAR--PhantomT1412 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.Oliveira 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal

Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions? Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.

It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal

Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.Oliveira 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal

I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal

My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. Excalibur01 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange Excalibur01 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal

The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal

That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.

new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.

I think it is a Magpul Masada Choi117

I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.Oliveira 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.

Sorry, i didn't know that.Oliveira 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal

ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 Excalibur01 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-Oliveira 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. Excalibur01 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the pistol is a Glock 18C

Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.Oliveira 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real Glock 18, but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a Glock 18. Excalibur01 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Or it could be a Glock firing on semi-automatic. Oliveira 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

That little er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)

Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". Glock 18's did not have this color available. Glock 22's just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a Glock 18 with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

Weapons-trailers

Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the 110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.

Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.Oliveira 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.

I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. Excalibur01 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.Oliveira 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Hbar?

I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother is a Hbar?-Oliveira 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal

Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. Excalibur01 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

[3] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--PhantomT1412 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-Oliveira 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.ShaDow XPS

I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 Excalibur01 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--142.162.149.33 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)

Sign you posts for christ's sake.-Oliveira 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Correct Name

I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just Modern Warfare 2 because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.

Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. Excalibur01 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

And I've successfully changed the name Excalibur01 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. Markit

Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-S&Wshooter 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--PhantomT1412 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2--PhantomT1412 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2. Excalibur01 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.

I just saw a new official cover art for the game. It says CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE 2 so i think we should call it call of duty modern warfare 2 -Mandaloin

Thats just the boxart. Officially by the gamedevs its only called Modern warefare 2. They just slapped "call of duty" on there because a lot of people are stupid enough not to realise this IS a sequel to Call of Duty 4: modern warefare 5t3v0

Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six

A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. Excalibur01 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-Oliveira 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. Excalibur01 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-Oliveira 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.ShaDow XPS

What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-Oliveira 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.ShaDow XPS

The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. Excalibur01 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-Oliveira 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-S&Wshooter 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.

Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -The Winchester

I think the Task Force 141 is referring to Task Force 145 in reality. Task Force 145 is a joint force combining US and UK special forces

Task Force 121 was in no way a Black Ops Unit. It was, as 145 is, a multinational military unit assigned dircetly to counter-terrorism. Task Force 121 no longer exists it is now known as 145, which is what Task Force 141 in the game is based off of.

team rainbow was made to combat terrorism the old commander of ranbow is was a navy seal and a cia agent. he is the guy in clear and present danger is his name mr. clark.

Yeah that's from the original book, Rainbow Six. The games are all based around it. He was and Ex-SEAL who was recruited by the CIA and became an Operator[a Spy, if you wanna be movie technical.]. His name was John Clark.

My Rainbow Six history isn't what it used to be, but I'm pretty sure John Clark was just the director of Rainbow and didn't do much field work (most of which was left to Ding Chavez, at least until the Vegas games when he was promoted to Six and Logan and Bishop were brought into the picture). Spartan198 09:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

True, he didn't do much feild. About all he did in the basis of feild work was at the end of the novel where they hunt down the Bio-terrorist's and chase them to their secondary base in Brazil. He run's the show basically as Feild Commander.

Task Force 141 in-game is made-up of an unknown amount of countries military. The three that you can definately tell are, U.S. Military, British S.A.S., and Australian S.A.S.

More weapons comfirmed

It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8

That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-Oliveira 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. Excalibur01 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

CPT. Price

I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... Spartan198 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-Oliveira 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? Excalibur01 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor

Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!

No, Soap leads the Task Force

Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.

• Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. Dongs 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-Oliveira 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has already died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the Tirpitz and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. Dongs 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-Oliveira 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. Dongs 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-Oliveira 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...

• Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. Dongs 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [4] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys

• Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. Dongs 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-Oliveira 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest

Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.

I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.

No Glourious Mustache.-Oliveira 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but apparently Soap has a glorious Mohawk. And Price could be a good Zombie.

Even if Price lived through the end of COD4, do you really think he'd still fight?

What reason would there be for him not to? Guys get wounded and go back to active duty all the time. Spartan198 12:00, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

The Voice Actor, Billy Murray, has been confirmed as having worked on the project, if that's worth anything.

Unfortunatly that could just end up being part of a flashback mission like in CoD 4. Here's hoping it's for a part of the main game.The Wierd It 12:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

-Hes in the new trailer. Seriously, end of debate- k9870

If you're on about the guy on the assault boat, all we see is a guy in a boonie from behind. I'm going to withhold judgement until the game actually comes out.The Wierd It 12:35, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

At beginning of the Takedown level, Royce addresses "Bravo Six," Price's call sign from CoD4. Keep in mind that Captain Macmillan was Alpha Six, and that Soap's call sign is rumored to be Papa Six.

Except Bravo six was also Lt Vasquez's callsign. The Wierd It 11:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Except that Vasquez died in a nuclear explosion. Price's odds of survival are much better that someone who was nuked, crashed in a helicopter, and then exposed to radiation.

Hence my point, which is that the callsign is non-indicative. The Wierd It 13:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I think everyone here just needs to except that Cpt. Price has returned and is immortal like many other great men with Facial hair (I.E Gordan Freeman, Solid Snake, Chewbacca)

Actually chewbacca dies. Gets a moon crashing into him.-protoAuthor 05:22, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

it has been rumored that captain price (billy murray) will return as the commander of the 22 reg along with SSGT griggs (somehow) due to the fact we have been told (through the twitter page) that the voice actors have been paid record their voices but even then thiers nothing from stoping them from making another flashback mission with them

Hence my original point. The Wierd It 11:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

sorry ment to update that earlier CPT price is confirmed as retuning as the unit leader again after soap and roach break him out of a Russian prison (at that point price trys to kill roach but stops when he sees soap) the M1911 that you see on soap is the same as whats from MW1 which is returned to price then you can figure the rest out. end of story. regards scarec

The voice actor of SSGT. Griggs from the first MW, came back as the narrator of the SEALs in multiplayer. Same as Craig Fairbrass does as Ghost for all the Special Ops missions and for Task Force 141 on multiplayer.

SEALs? Don't you mean Rangers? Spartan198 09:35, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

In Multiplayer, you have a different voice that announces the game for the Rangers. You would hear an american voice say "insert type of game", then he would say "Rangers lead the way". The voice of Griggs would say "insert type of game" then "let's do this", in mulitplayer, you can play middle easterns, Brazillians, russians, british, and Rangers. Excalibur01 16:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Note about Gaz, his voice actor reappears and is conveniently named Ghost, which would of course raise the question "The Ghost of whom?" Just a little thing I thought was funny.

Nobody, it's a call sign. Gaz is dead and Ghost is not him in disguise. IW confirmed this. Spartan198 16:42, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

General Observations

Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from Infinity Ward seemed to have recycled some scenery. When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.

Not really. Excalibur01 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

The New pictures

Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-Oliveira 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --PhantomT1412 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother ?-Oliveira 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.ShaDow XPS

Wow... that site has the MP5 listed as being 40. S&W 5t3v0

LoL that site is horrible... if you think that page is bad just jump into the forums... all kinds of gems in there... read the one about the Taurus Raging Bull. the guy says "goodluck reloading its four barrels" <- That had me laughing with the stupidity of that statement. - Furious Oyster

TAR-21 or F2000?

File:MW2TR6.jpg

A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably aFN F2000 Tactical

Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--PhantomT1412 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-Oliveira 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--PhantomT1412 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

My question is where the is the scope?-76.31.5.208 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)

There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-Oliveira 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--M14fanboy 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks like an Remington 870.-Oliveira 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--Halorocka888 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--M14fanboy 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I see it now. It is an F2000 with the shotgun attachment and the way the shotgun is attached makes the gun look retarded. They didn't make the SCAR's own grenade launcher attachment, so obviously they didn't do the F2000's attachment and worse, they didn't take off the removeable handguard and just put the M203 directly under the barrel, they had to slap it at the bottom of the damn thing. Excalibur01 17:46, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I have heard however that the F2000s red dot sight in multiplayer is the standard F2000 optical sight, much like the TAR-21 uses the MARS sight in multiplayer as well, and the L86 uses the SUSAT in place of the ACOG. M14fanboy

I've used F2000s with the standard scope in Special Ops and the L86 does indeed have a SUSAT (that thing is horrible, BTW) in place of the ACOG. Spartan198 09:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

It is man. The L86 has awful accuracy, almost no range, and once you get two or three rounds off, it's all over the place. For me, it's the HBAR amigo. I'll take thr ability to hit people over drum mags any day. M14fanboy

MP7? Are you sure?

Where do you exactly see MP7?

I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left. They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different. MP7 doesn't match... Morihaus 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus

I saw a picture of it yesterday and i cant remember where. and i think it was a russian behind a shield, but im not sure if i remember that correctly. but the MP7 is definitely here -Mandaloin

The MP7A1 is seen in the Reveal trailer in the hands of the Brazilian Secret Service agents fighting off an insurgent force from a crashed C-130-Kellers357

FAL Please

I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--M14fanboy 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with the above statement-S&Wshooter 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-Oliveira 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-S&Wshooter 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-Oliveira 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-S&Wshooter 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Those are just called FN FALs.-Oliveira 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--M14fanboy 22:08, 26 June

2009 (UTC)

TDI "Kriss"

I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--M14fanboy 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-Oliveira 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

True, but it varies what the recoil force actually does and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. Tim 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-Oliveira 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not

From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--M14fanboy 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-Oliveira 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the faster than you could in real lifeExcalibur01 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. Vangelis 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--Panther61DC08 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--M14fanboy 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry "noob tuber" all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. Spartan198

I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-Oliveira 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

As far as the Kriss goes they sure as hell have never fired it (which disappoints me that they put all these exotic weapons in that they really havent touched... in COD4 they actually fired most of the weapons and that gave it a level of authenticity) so i dont think they'll pay attention to the fact that it takes most of the recoil for you. when you fire it youll probably be shooting all over the place with heavy recoil -Mandaloin

Well looky here, an icon for picking up a "FAL Red Dot sight" In the Multiplayer trailer. There is a god, because the FN FAL has finally made it into an awesome game!M14fanboy 05:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The Kriss does seem to have a comparably short barrel to the UMP. IW could lower the damage due to the lower velocity? not sure what barrel length is ideal for .45ACP but I just thought that could be used as a reason to balance? that and the Kriss only uses the .45 Glock pistol mags correct? so maybe your attachment is an extended mag to help compete? -FuriousOyster

From what we've seen, the Kriss in MW2 is already being used with the experimental 26 round magazine currently being developed for the gun. As for barrel length, it's on par with the UMP, plus its shorter overall. Who knows, maybe IW will just make the Kriss what it is in real life, a hard and precise hitting sub machine gun. M14fanboy 01:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Apparently IW got the Kriss right on how controllable it is when firing on full auto. It doesn't go all over the place. Excalibur01 17:50, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

The Vector is stunningly good. A bit down on power, but accurate and it can handle it's high ROF. M14fanboy

Been unlocking the attachments for the Vector and it is kind of nerf on the power. It's really not the strong, but has a high rate of fire and accuracy Excalibur01 16:52, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

HK416?

Possible HK416-

The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...). --Wikinerd 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Thats actually Soap. -The Winchester

that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)

Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.

I hope they don't. It's not that I necessarily hate the HK416 (well, okay, maybe I do a little bit), but let's give LWRC's or Colt's gas pistons some love. The 416 and XM8 are way overused in shooters today. Spartan198

And the rear sight on Soap's M4 looks more like an ARMS #40L to me. Spartan198

Again, why do people think that when they see a cool looking AR15 in a game or a movie shot they RIGHT AWAY say, HK416 or M468 AKA REC7 as it is called now.? Excalibur01

Because a lot of people are so fracking biased against DI guns that it's crazy. They're quick to tout the AK's widespread use as an example of its so-called "superiority", but that same argument means "absolutely nothing" to the same people when it's applied to the M4 and variants chosen by elite forces all over the planet. Spartan198 01:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

yeah, i agree, it is ridiculous, especially since you can upgrade an m4 to perform exactly like any of the other new weapons and do it for a $1,000 cheaper. it makes you wonder why were even replacing the m4?

Same reason the army bought a new grenade launcher: It's shiny and new. Spartan198 04:34, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Well you have to think about the old saying. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. But with weapon systems, they do get out dated and don't last forever. Eventually it's naturally to want to replace what you have now even though it's an effective piece of equipment that's served you for many years. Think back when the M16 was first introduced. It got so much crap from the old timers in the military that it took almost a decade to get it fielded. And now the M16 is a beloved icon of American power and loved by millions. Times change and so would weapons. Excalibur01 17:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

FN P90

Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"

Did you miss this?-Oliveira 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Re-added

Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series Drjuki 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

So we're changing the name again on this site? Excalibur01 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game "Modern Warfare 2" (source: [5]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2", search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have "Call of Duty" on their boxes.--PhantomT1412 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

i luv p-90 its awesome. i'v been playing modern warefare for one week now and what i did was i got bling pro(allows you to chose 2 perks) and i took a p-90 and put akimbo and rapid fire. its CRAZY. whenever your in close quarters with that combo, your invincibal.

-evilmidget25

ps il be online soon, its been three months and ill be back on chrismas

Walther WA2000

Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--PhantomT1412 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I strongly concur with Phantom. --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Behold, a really, really silly bundle:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720

I can understand doing that for something like a Splinter Cell bundle (sorta), but... Vangelis 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm so getting that... Spartan198

NVG's that max out to 50 feet, failll

• facedesk* Behold, NVGs for less then 200 with a $70 game and art book, Who wants to bet those are made by a company who's name you can't pronounce and is based in a country that rhymes with Dina? Anyhow, I already pre-ordered the standard game, I don't need fancy art books and hard cases and crappy NVGs, I just want what may be the best FPS ever created, period. M14fanboy 01:48, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm don't want the nod to use, I just want them as a bad-@$$ display for the living room. Spartan198

And they actually function pretty well. I can make out the stop sign at the entrance to the complex I live in, and it's quite a bit further away than 50 feet. Spartan198 07:13, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Cover Restoration

Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?

Original

The best I could do.

It's not the standard edition box.--PhantomT1412 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

SPAS-12?

Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.

its a FAMAS- the folded bipod

Nope, it's a WA2000

The Walther WA2000 has a "skeletal" look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock. --Blemo 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see that you meant "bipod", not "stock". I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --Blemo 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not a shotgun, the "handgrip" is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.

yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.

Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed Weapons

Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-Oliveira 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Which one?--PhantomT1412 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-Oliveira 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--PhantomT1412 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-Oliveira 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--PhantomT1412 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Does this help on the FAL? http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png Hoot471

HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-Oliveira 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

So, it's almost sure that the weapons carried by the brazilians are FAL? I don't think they will include two weapons pretty identical... Unless they changed the rate of fire on each weapon much like the M4/M16 AR.--PhantomT1412 22:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

It's the Imbel but Infinity Ward named it FN FAL. Like the AKMSU/AK-74S fuck up in Modern Warfare 1.-Oliveira 23:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I think its the fal, it looks like it uses a bigger magazine therefore a bigger round, the MD 3 uses 223, the fal uses 308

I noticed that too. It looks like a FN FAL with an 30 round magazine. But look at the Forearm. It looks like an MD-3 forearm to me.-Oliveira 13:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

But it could be based on the DSA SA-58, which has a shorter fore end, and curved .308 mags do exist. Either way though, a FAL in Mw2 is win in my books. Infact, here's a nice picture that may help that theory, [url]http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:DSA-SA-58-OSW.jpg[/url] M14fanboy 01:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Terribly disappointed that the 1911 is not used in multiplayer - JanG

Not just disappointing, it's a crime. Spartan198 02:54, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

M4

The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??

wheres the proof?

As of now, nothing can be added to the main article since there are no sources or evidence that provide the actual facts. Do you happen to have a link of the official statement? I think what he means is that the M4 (when mounted with sights or scopes) looks like a Bushmaster ORC (Optics-Ready Carbine), since it's rear and front sights are already removed. But just because it looks like it doesn't mean it has to be a Bushmaster. And again, guys, please sign your edits. Cheers, --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 21:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The M4 IS a Bushmaster! And proof is right here on IMFDB! I took this from the pic of Soap and enlarged it.

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm97/SpartanWarrior198/Soap_Bushmaster_M4.jpg

Snake logo on the mag well is Bushmaster's. Spartan198 12:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

And I just noticed Soap is wearing US Army UCP, as well... Spartan198

So what? In this fictional universe, Bushmaster makes all the M4s? Excalibur01 17:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, true, but this is a video game set in the near future. It could very well be possible that Bushmaster took over M4 production from Colt (since their exclusivity agreement expired back in June) in the Modern Warfare world.Spartan198 12:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

And I doubt IW would put two or more different identical "M4s" in the game. I can see an M4 and HK416 or REC7 put side-by-side in the game because there are some slight external differences (and caliber increase in the case of the REC7), but there'd be no point in having separate Colt and Bushmaster M4s, both virtually identical externally, at the same time. But then again the still above could very well be just promotional with a Bushmaster put in because it's all they had available to model. But we'll find out for sure Nov. 10th... Spartan198 01:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... Bushmaster may have used the Call of Duty franchise to advertise for their weapons, as seen on the lower receiver of the M4. Maybe likely, maybe not; but it is a possibility. Cheers, --User:Blemo/Sig

HK did it with R6, so why can't Bushmaster do it with MW2? Spartan198 04:37, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Winchester 1887

No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg

yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.

I dought you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it. Also it could be the Chinese copy. --Jake zergling 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

There was a Public Ennemies version of the weapon which was closer to the one in the screenshot, but it has been deleted.--PhantomT1412 22:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be peculiar to have the old lever shotgun in MW2, but definitely a cool choice of gun. It may not be the fastest or most powerful, but it has nostalgia and cool to it. M14fanboy 18:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It could be like the Stg-44 from COD4, a retro weapon. It was called MP44 in Cod4 not Stg-44 that was in W@W just trying to help. -FuriousOyste

The MP44/StG-44 was only in CoD4 as a nod to the other games in the franchise which are all set during WW2. The Wierd It 21:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you can unlock Price's mustache as a nod to his awesomely awesome mustache from MW1? =D -FuriousOyster

Since IW seem to be going along the "fun" route while still sticking to a semi-realism point of view, it's probably safe to assume this was added as a "fun gun". It's likely with the recent videos of the "Flag Runner" and the addition of throwing knives there adding weapons that no serious soldier would use in direct combat but would be awesome to use a video game multiplayer match. It's possible they added it as a reference to Terminator 2, I wonder if they'll add the M79 and a portable minigun... Draco122 14:11, 02 September 2009 (UTC)

There should be two reload animations. The first one you reload normally but in the second one you reload like the T-600, With one goddamm hand.-Oliveira 17:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

That was only chambering fresh rounds, not reloading it, but I see your poit. Either way though, having an old school lever action shotty will surely make things, uh, interesting? And throwing knives will just attract goddamn ninjas. M14fanboy 01:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Ninjas that I'll gladly lay waste to in MP. Spartan198 12:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Amen to that man, they can throw all the knives they want, but that won't stop them from taking a burst of FAL rounds in the chest. M14fanboy 23:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Good luck getting a burst out of your FAL --Captain Snikt 05:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

"Those who live by the sword get shot by the ones who don't". Ninja's were cowards anyways. They retreated rather than fought most of the time-S&Wshooter 00:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention that was against bows and arrows, not automatic rifles. M14fanboy 18:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

for the reload animations I think the shells are being loaded in to the barrel!!

No my friend, thats just how you load a lever shotgun. The tube you load the shells in to is the magazine, and the tube below it is where they eject from when you cock the gun after a shot. M14fanboy

Don't debate on the articles

Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for. --Jake zergling 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I am confused you say not to debate here but then you say to debate here. I am new to this.

Jake, can you speak english?-Oliveira 00:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I mean don't debate on the main page with the articles it clutters it.--Jake zergling 05:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

What Jake means, is that to hold all disputes, comments, and debates on the discussion (talk) page, instead of the article itself. The page you are looking at is the talk page and you should type any comments on this page. If you look at the top, there are seven tabs (varies on your status and monobook of the wiki), but for more users, it says, "page, discussion, edit, +, history, move, & watch". Make sure the "discussion" tab is pressed before you make your edit. Typing in the tab that says "page" makes the article look unprofessional and a hassle to read. Cheers, --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 21:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll move all the discussion here...--PhantomT1412 13:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Glock

The GameTrailers Analysis states that it is a Glock 22, but this is unconfirmed. It could be a Glock 18 since in the video demo shown at the E3 conference, it fires fully automatically.

Glock 18 - 9x19mm. This model has compensator cuts on the slide and barrel to reduce muzzle climb while firing

A Glock fired by "Roach" on a snowmobile in Mission "Cliffhangar". Note olive-drab frame.

This US special ops has a olive-drab framed Glock in his thigh holster (barely off-shot).

• An interesting note is that the Glock fires dramatically slower than a Glock 18 or other converted Glocks. The Glock from the video's rate of fire is only around 600-700 RPM, where as a real Automatic Glock fires around 1100+ RPM -- Mythekal

The guy COULD just be firing in semi VERY fast so that it seems like it's full auto. A lot of the handguns in COD4 if you tap the trigger in quick successions, it seems almost full auto Excalibur01 04:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". Glock 18's did not have this color available. Glock 22's just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a Glock 18 with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

Not to disagree with you, I mean, you strike a really good point, but I've seen video game companies butcher their weapons into having colors or functions that they don't even have in the first place. Perhaps this is the case, although highly unlikely. --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 17:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Not sure if anybody noticed, but the G18s in game does not have a selector switch - JanG

The Glock 18 can come with OD frames http://www.teamglock.com/Glock-Buyers-Guide/Glock-18.htm

H&K USP .45

Shown in a stage demo for GameSpot, Roach wields it with a knife at the same time. There is a similar technique where you do this with a flashlight. If someone would care to name it please do as I forgot for the moment.

• Take your pick from CQC, CQB, Combatives or Defendu. Dongs 11:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
  • The particular technique shown below with the support arm under the wrist of the main arm indexing the flashlight along the axis of the barrel is called the Harris Method. In this case it's being done with a knife presumably because it looks cool.
    • It's actually done for CQC and not just cause it looks cool. A similar method to this is what Snake does on MGS.But he holds the Knife with the gun by the grips.Perhaps the Harries method is more comfortable than Snake's CQC method,so they made it that way.

Heckler & Koch USP .45 ACP. Note the slightly longer barrel/slide and grip compared to the 9mm and .40 S&W models above.

Akimbo

• Need some confirmation on this as I cant find any videos or images of this, supposedly the player is now able to Dual wield or go Akimbo with Pistols, particularly twin desert eagles were seen in a demonstration during a show off session to fans.

This is one of the websites with this article: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2009/08/27/modern-warfare-2-has-guns-akimbo/1

Draco122

There was a screenshot of the Desert Eagle being held akimbo during a gameshow in Vegas (the name of which I forgot...) I'm not sure if it was already added to the article, but I'll take a look. --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 04:10, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Now Akimbo? I'm having less and less faith in this new game with most of these cliche shit added on. We got too many kinds of new guns enough to put Rainbow Six to shame, odd matches for people and prototype guns in wide use. This game went from pretty cool to up down cliche generic shooter. Excalibur01 19:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Leaked Video

Found this video while searching the net on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FuwFT4p5hA

At 1:28 there appears to be a new weapon, it looks like it says "Shotgun" but the video is low qaulity and I'm having a hard time finding out what it is? The icon image looks similar to that of a Saiga shotgun but I'm not sure. From the looks of it, the IMI Mini Uzi will be making a return.

Draco122

I think it says (litterally) "FAL w/ Shotgun"... Shotgun attachment?!--PhantomT1412 18:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

MASTERKEY! that would be awesome! on the other hand... COD4 shotguns were pretty pointless. so I doubt an even shorter barreled one would be worth it.

Yeah, there have been rumors of an under-slung shotgun attachment. --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 04:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

That does surely say FAL with Shotgun, as it matches the shape of the other FAL seen in a trailer, sweet! M14fanboy 22:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

also confirmed in game masterkey is avalible -scarecrow

Continuity Error(??)

Perhaps, in the E3 Gameplay video, the Infinity Ward boyz made a continuity error. If you will, note that Roach is first seen using a USP .45, but later, on the snowmobile, he switches to a Glock 18/22/whatever. Just a thought.

Doubt it. games arn't that sloppy. Its probably given to you when you board the snowmobile because firing a semiautomatic weapon while you are going pretty fast wouldn't help much unless you have a very steady hand. better to have a wide spread than accuracy when you cant predict the enemy that well. 5t3v0

Well apparently you are able to equip 3 weapons?, but that still wouldn't explain how he got that glock.

What 5t3v0 says is true. Video game developers aren't that sloppy and I think that the publishers purposefully made this so-called "continuity error". I think that the Glock is for use only for the snowmobile portion of the mission, since its high rate of fire (compared to the HK USP .45) is more ideal for tracking and shooting fast-moving vehicles. Many other video games during their vehicle missions use the same logic (i.e. a mounted machine gun on the snowmobile in 007: Nightfire). --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 04:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

There's one on each of the snowmobiles, There's a holster somewhere.

Okay first of all, i know you know its just a game, so thats my first statement, and my second is, who says you cant have another holster on you, one on your thigh, one on your rig, or two on both your thighs? and then you either have access to it in the game or you dont, and we can all pretend like roach just doesnt want to use it until the snowmobile thing or something like that.

New mw video

Gentlemen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4PMRFkx07g

Damn, the MP5K Looks SWEET! And throwing knives? kick-ass!!! man as soon as this is released im disowning my copy of COD4.

Double Barrel Shotty

According to the guys over at the COD Wiki, the Double barrel shotgun will make a return(from COD5), has anyone else seen this?

• It's possible with the inclusion of other "fun" weapons like the Winchester M1887 and Throwing knives, but I'm not going to get my hopes up about it... Draco122 14:18, 02 September 2009 (UTC)

Try not to include wiki as a source unless there's pics of the actual shotgun ingame. Excalibur01 13:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

The OXM stated that (Official Xbox Magazine). The DB shotgun will have separate trigger for each barrel.--PhantomT1412 20:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

You said it will make a return, it never was in cod4, or are you referring to cod5? --Final Tsurugi 15:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, shouldve been a little clearer, i was referring to cod5

Mk14 Rifle

The Mk14 on the screenshot is not a Mk14 Mod0 battle rifle but a Mk14 Mod1 ([6]), the second modification. Still based on the M14/M1A battle rifle/semi-auto rifle, but using M4 grip and stock with the EBR chassis. The version used by soaped also seems to sport a Magpul MOE stock with cheek rest.

Now that I see that new picture on the page with the mk14 in it I think that it is also a mod 1. Who else is thinks so?ShaDow XPS

Highrise Gameplay videos (Cam)

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/modern-warfare-2/11043

Just saw this today, the "trailer" section also has a trailer cam of a predator missile and a supply drop, it also shows off the UMP45.

The newer highrise videos show a few weapons in the game that would now be deemed confirmed to a degree. It's labelled 1 through 5 in parts. They all feature different guns, I remember seeing two icons, one which was thought to be a place holder, the L85 was displayed as the L86 LSW (maybe an attachment for the L85?) including a PP-2000 Akimbo. Other's include various MG's which I can't identify, a SPAS-12 shotgun in full view (with appropriate icon) and the FAMAS and UMP.

Draco122 13:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

The videos from Gametrailers also seem to show a silenced SPAS 12, which should be fun.

Dannysaysnoo 15:14, 16 September 2009

New video confirms a few weapons

A few weapons are probably confirmed by this video from Screwattack, PP-2000 amongst them. http://www.screwattack.com/Events/MW2HandsOn Dannysaysnoo 14:39, 16 September 2009

Just from watching, I saw the FAMAS, RPD, M4, SCAR, PP2000, AT4 (now a weapon not a perk, and more.M14fanboy

00:48, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

everything in the game is now content locked. that means any weapon seen will be in the final game

happy hunting

Zombie Mode

Any idea if theyll have one?

No they wont. Instead they have a spec-ops mode. Besides, its not cool of Infinity ward to copy treyarchs thing. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]

Yeah, especially when Treyarch has made an entire career out of copying Infinity Ward

Create A Class Menu

Several weapons,perks, and attachments have now been confirmed in a new video's on youtube including Glock 18, PP-2000, M79 grenade launcher, Cheyenne Tactical M-200 Intervention, RPD light machine gun, Franchi SPAS-12 and much more.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K51MZPJ-Rd0, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNCCkvV77s

File:CreateAClass.jpg

Create a Class Menu.

Infamy (New Trailer)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8toHfZm6jNE

The Guy in the Airport wearing a black suit (presumably this Makarov character) looks like he was carrying a SCAR-L but then I noticed the RIS rails to which it was just a regular M4. It was weird how they made look very similar to the SCAR-L, yet at 1:31 in the Infamy trailer there's a guy with outline of the SCAR-L. It looks like the "Mini-Uzi" is now confirmed to be apart of the machine pistol lineup of weapons. Also does anyone think the AK at 0:57 looks odd? Kinda looks to me like a AN-94. - Draco122 07:07 05 October 2009

• The weapon Makarov was holding looked like an M4 to me, but I think your right about the Mini-Uzi being a machine pistol now. And as for the AK it looked like the rest of the AKs I've seen from ingame pictures and footage. Rock and Metal 20:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

The guy is holding an M4. Excalibur01 16:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

The Russian tactical team that responded to the airport attack were referred by Makarov as FSBs. Even though they did deploy from SWAT vans marked as FSB, the Russian soldiers actually wear MVD uniforms, meaning that they were actually interior troops.--Wildcards 18:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Wall of guns

Just got this off of Gametrailers TV. Excalibur01 16:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

• Too late, man.)

Sentry Gun

On Gamesrader.com, an article on the impressions of MW2, mentions a Sentry Gun in the Kill Streak list. After doing some research, I've found a supposed concept of the Sentry Gun on Modernwarfare247.com. Apparently it seems to be the XM312 .50Cal fitted with a Camera. Draco122 09:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

XM312

maybe its a .50BMG on a CROWS-type system

The Sentry Gun in the game is an M134 on a tripod, as I've used some in MP. M14fanboy

Screenshot

The first two are Scars, the second has a Masterkey, the third with an ACOG doesnt quite look right, and I cant tell what the digital one is, any help?

The two on the right might be ACR's--24.63.181.248 03:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

The digital one is the bushmaster ACR. It looks a little funny but that is it.ShaDow XPS

W2000

I'm not 100% certain on this, but isn't the W2000 a collector's sniper rifle? I mean this is a rather expensive sniper rifle made as a colector's rifle. So why would the military be using it in whatever war this game takes place in?

And we're supposed to know the thought process behind Infinity Ward's weapon decisions how?

Remember the game black where w2000s were just laying all over eastern europe?

Yeah, ever since Black came out, WA2000s have been known to be laying all across Europe, ripe for the picking! M14fanboy 23:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Haha Agent 47 spends thousands of dollars just to maintain one yet European armies can buy millions of them just to lay around randomly :P

From my play through, I can only find one. The one you see on the wall of guns picture.

I've seen them in several missions. Spartan198 06:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Unfocused

This game is looking more and more gimmicky by the day. It's as if they're going all out to jam as much modern technology into the game as possible, whether it makes sense or not. Brazilian militia with FN F2000 assault rifles? Russian terrorists with the TDI Vector? Really? --MattyDienhoff 08:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

It's true that I feel the game is adding so much new stuff it won't be anything like CoD4. It bothers me that Infinity Ward is going over the top just because of its huge fanbase.

ShaDow XPS

For those of you who have seen "Lord of War", remember Nicolas Cage's quote: "Where there's a will, there's a weapon." I'm sure that their theory for the MW2 universe is that some FN or TDI salesmen forgot who they were working for, and sold their latest & greatest weapons to the bad guys, and got paid more in a day or two than they would earn working for a decade. I believe that money is the most corrupting force on Earth. Also, I do recall a story about some F2000s winding up in the hands of a militia in East Timor a few years ago, and I'm not sure whether or not FN figured out how they got there. -KLR

I've heard of this happening with a custom M14 maker. One of their people was rebuilding some MK14Mod0 on the side and smuggling them to the phillipines if i rememger correctly. The man was caught and is spending a long vacation is club fed. --Rockwolf66 17:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

As much as I agree that the weapons are going a little crazy (how the hell do Brazilians in the slums of Rio get their hands on such powerful NATO weaponry?), remember this game isn't set in the present day, its sometime in 2016 I think. So who knows, in that year the rarer weapons of today may be more widely available. Unlikely I know, but possible. 90.213.208.208 10:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

And besides, the game would be very boring if everyone had AK's. --24.63.181.248 22:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Not exactly. Im not liking the whole high end weapons idea for militia. I would have been fine seeing militia using ak variants and other common battle rifles. --mythekal

You must remember that all gangs in Rio get majority of there weapons from buying over seas and from corrupt military and police units, who themselves have stockpiles of powerful NATO weapons (M4s, AKs, FNs,etc.). And the Brazilian militia's leader is an Arms Dealer who has ties with the Ultranationalists, any Arms dealer that big can afford to give his men some much more flashier weapons! Also this is just a game too! --Choi117

In the first game the russians had g36cs, ak-47s, m9s and 1911s, not like, ak-74s and makarovs. In this they seem to have gone to just having tacticool bullpups and high-end everything.....I laugh if you pick p an m9 in brazil even though your infinitely more likely to get a taurus pt92.

One aspect of Modern Warfare 2 is notably the fact, that although not identified by developers, is the way in which the worlds runs, MONEY!, believe it or not but the American government has been dealing arms for years, all to up there pay check, the result is quite devastating, its give there own troops a disadvantage but what do they care money's, money, they would give nuclear weapons to iraq if there was enough money.

Actually, the American government deals arms mainly to friendly nations and used to deal arms to CIA backed insurgencies. So, you know, they wouldn't be selling things like NUKES you moron. As far as the purchase of these weapons, just consider Mexico today: You have a 'military' (if you can really call the Mexican Army a military) where 250,000 soldiers have left to work for a drug cartel or just left the country, leaving their rifles with the cartels. Then you have those same cartels buying firearms from third world SA countries that were provided firearms by the US for insurgencies. Then you have cartels buying firearms from people very similar to Cage's character in Lord of War. In 2016, it's more than believable taht those dealers could be selling ill-gotten FN2000's to wherever they damn well please.

I think that they are adding all of these guns because after Zakheav died the ultranationalists kinda fell apart and now they use anything they get their hands on so some of their guys probably decided too buy their own guns and thought they might as weel go big.

If you think this game is unfocused you haven't seen the 25 kill streak perk yet! A Freaking Tactical Nuke, I'm not joking: http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/modern-warfare-2-25th-killstreak/333858Draco122

That idea makes the game sound more ridiculous than it already is. This is way over the top now.ShaDow XPS

Can someone explain what "in egoview" means? pictures have the caption something like "the SPAS-12 in egoview " somethign like that. Is it suposed to mean first-person view, only written by someone with poor english?

Presumably it refers to First-Person view. If you look, all the HUD text in those shots is in German. The Wierd It 16:19, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

This is interesting discussion, but I have to say I think you guys are missing the point a bit. I'll cede the points about modern weapons being more proliferated in the CoD universe, and the one about the criminal factions (Militia, Ultranationalists) having large financial reserves, since this is fiction that's entirely possible. But, even if a criminal organization did have vast resources of cash, I'm sure they could find more important things to spend money on than outfitting their dime-a-dozen armed thugs with modern NATO assault rifles when they could just buy a bunch of AKs for a quarter of the price and be done with it, immensely simplifying training and logistics in the process. After all, what can a poorly trained, militia thug do with an FN2000 that they can't do with an AK-74? I guess my point is that the many iffy decisions made about the weapons in this game represent, to me, the entire ethos behind this series:

"Screw "logic" and "realism", let's just focus on making everything totally f**ing awesome ohlookanexplosion!"

I guess I can't fault them, really, since this kind of attitude is right in line with the attention-deficit teenage douchebag demographic they're catering to nowadays. It just irritates me because it's basically the complete opposite of what I'm looking for in a war game, and I get all the more irritated every time I run into one of the aforementioned douchebags, fresh from playing this game, who thinks he's now some kind of authority on firearms. IW could be so much better if they wanted to. --MattyDienhoff 21:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you so much, Matt. Over Christmas break I visited my 16-year-old cousin who was just cleared by his father to play M-rated games. Guess which game he bought the minute he got this newfound freedom? Now he's trying to tell me how combat is really like the game and that "the Intervention is arguably the best firearm ever made." He also tried to argue when I told him it was really called a Cheytac M200. My god this game really turned out to bother me deeply. But joke's on me, I went out and bought it myself. Mandaloin 04:06, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

M21 EBR

Just to make sure no one changes it back. Even though it doesn't technically exist, that is what its called in game. The logic behind the name is: M21 (Sniperized M14) + M14 EBR (Modernized M14) = Modernized Sniperized M14 = M21 EBR

Alright, to be blunt, I LOVE the M14. Whenever I used one in Call of Duty 4, it was like the second coming of Jesus Christ. I just got done reading that the M14 used in this game is, as said above, a M21 EBR, and is classified as a sniper rifle. When I found that out I was extremely pissed. What I don't get though, is that in the Breach and Clear video that is out there, there is clearly a Mk. 14, with open iron sights. Based on all of this bullcrap, it appears that you will not be able to use the M14/Mk.14 EBR/M21 EBR/or-whatever-the-heck-we-are-calling-it without a scope. I am aware that MW2 is somehow sneaking out into people's Xbox's already, and I would greatly appreciate if someone could elaborate on this?Run its a T-55 00:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Putting a scope on a Mark 14 doesn't change its designation. Spartan198 19:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Been checking with various sources on M14's and this M21 EBR is just an M14 fitted into a Sage Stock. it's nothing more than the numerous M14's I've seen used as a DMR.Rockwolf66 17:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I say we just stick with calling it Mark 14 Mod 1 and note in the description that its in-game name is M21 EBR. Spartan198 03:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

And, while I've not yet played MP, every instance of Mark 14 use in SP refers to it as "M14 EBR". Spartan198 00:03, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

It's officially called the M21 EBR in MP. However a friend of mine tells me when fitted with an ACOG it makes for an alright assault type rifle. M14fanboy

Still a Mark 14 as far as this site is concerned. Spartan198 02:57, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

And what pisses me off the most is that besides the scope and smaller magazine. it's a Mark 14 EBR. Why IW decided to turn it into a sniper is beyond me. M14fanboy

I'd imagine they did it for balance, can't have a sniper rifle with a 20 shot magazine. Unless you get extended mags then maybe it might be better I dont know Draco122

I don't see how that's supposed to balance anything. 20 round magazine or not, a sniper rifle is still a sniper rifle. Spartan198 10:10, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

How much of a bump does extended mags do for the EBR anyhow? M14fanboy

I haven't gotten them yet myself, but I'll let you know when I do. Spartan198 10:06, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

You get a whole whopping 5 extra rounds. 15 round magazines. Yeah... Run its a T-55 02:36, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I've now heard rumors that in the spring DLC (mostly spec ops stuff) They're bringing back the G36C, The Skorpion, one of the sniper rifles, and the M14 will be back to an AR. M14fanboy

I'm so sick of the G36C! Everywhere I got, everybody wants to have babies with a G36C! Let's have an HK53 instead this time, or a Mark 12 SPR. A Mark 12 Mod 1 SPR would be a fun. Spartan198 20:51, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

It would be cool, but it would be VERY redundant to the M14 EBR, not that the G36C wouldn't be either, but all the snipers are almost exactly the same (look up the real stats, the ones in game arent right), I think adding any new sniper would be kinda dumb. Alex T Snow 16:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

(Moved from the M14 EBR section of the main page by Spartan198)

• The reason it has been labeled as the M21EBR is because it has been modified into a sniper rifle. The modification of any M14 into a sniper rifle changes it's classification to an M21.--Dethshadow170 22:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
  • No, it just makes it an M14 with a scope. Case in point is the USMC issue M14 DMR. Fits the criteria of "M14 converted to sniper rifle", but still called an M14, not an M21. The Wierd It 19:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Besides, just adding a scope to a gun doesn't change what gun it is. An M21 is not just an M14 with a scope as the Mk12 SPR/SAM-R/SDM-R is not just an M16 with a scope.--Strategos 21:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
    • By "modified into a sniper rifle" I was implying that it's full auto fire setting was disabled, plus the addition of the scope, bipod, etc.--Dethshadow170 22:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
      • Actually, the majority of M14s left in the government arsenals were converted to semi-auto only fire early in their careers, because when it is fired in fully automatic, to quite one of the foremost arms experts Dr. Atwater, after the third round fired in full-auto, the M14 "becomes an anti-aircraft gun". You will occassionally see one M14 that lucked out of this modification (and I am sure that all of the ones the SEALs maintain in their own armories managed to escape it as well), but it is just not so effiecient when issued to everyday soldiers and is a recipe for a very powerful but also very inaccurate general issue rifle.SAWGunner89 17:01, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Two new videos

This is the level you get for beating the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhjh8KxFPkg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czJEO8skB64

Damn good videos, I'll have a lot of fun with that museum :D Does this mean theres not going to be any semi-auto assualt rifles? Everything seems to be full auto in those videos...:( 90.213.208.208 19:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

in the video description it says that the person playing was using rapid fire.

They likely removed the use of the G3 and M14 from Multiplayer due to people using the modified controllers to enable rapid firing, though I remember seeing that "Rapid Fire" was being made as an Attachment for weapons, not something I'd imagine seeing in singleplayer Draco122

An added note about the "Museum" level is a button on the front desk. Press it and all the soldiers in the exhibits come alive and try to kill you! Good fun if you stock up from the weapons cases first. M14fanboy

Wow, Dual wielding all subguns?

watched video of dual mp5ks and p90s........wtf is wrong here?

Where is this video?

Even worse, I heard it was possible to dual wield shotguns. [citation needed] Yeah, ordinarily I wouldn't just put that out there without a source, but given all the other stupid decisions IW have been making lately, I can believe it. --MattyDienhoff 01:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

you dual wield sawn off doubles, its showed in museum gameplay.

Wouldn't firing a sawed off one handed dislocate your shoulder?-S&Wshooter 03:00, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily, but that doesn’t mean it is the smartest way to shoot a firearm. --Mauser 05:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

You know what this means, every noob on the planet will be duel wielding in MW2 like it's Halo 3 Excalibur01 06:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Meh, who cares? Yeah, I think dual wielding is an action movie cliche, too, but I'll just play the game the way I want and everyone else will do the same. It most likely won't be long until people are whining and crying about "dual wield noobs" like they do about so-called "noob-tubers". Spartan198 19:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, i use a noob tube on one of my classes myself, it may piss people off, but snipers piss me off. Besides, its not like the noob toob is good in close quarters, it only holds two rounds and has slow ass reloads. I use mine to countersnipe when they try and hide behind cover.

I only use noob tube when coming up against a map with lots of trenches or caves or buildings, the better to lob nades into. I prefer the ACOG in MW2, as now it doesn't suck like in CoD: 4 142.166.195.174 18:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Anyone who cries about what weapons, perks, or attachments another player is using needs to either learn how to adapt to the environment and opposition or quite playing multi-player altogether. "ZOMG! He killed me with a grenade launcher! Not fair! Waaah waaah waaah!" Some people just need to grow the feck up and stop being pansies. Spartan198 06:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. the M203 is a useful tool. so are shotguns, i was sick of hearing "SHOTGUN NOOB!" after the first time i heard it. now this is just an opinion but when indoors and within the effective range, i dont think theres a better weapon. they provide a large spread pattern that can be useful in high stress situations. im not saying you dont have to aim a shotgun at close range, but neutralizing a threat can be easier with with buckshot (defense loads) than with a single slug from a pistol or rifle. in my opinion there is no "noob" weapon. when they are all used properly, each individual weapon serves a specific purpose. cheap tactics is what makes a bad player in my eyes. someone who uses a high capacity weapon (P90, Light Machine Gun) while sitting in one spot picking off players who are trying to have fun and play "right" just ruins the expirience for everyone else. and in my expirience these "campers" are the ones who cry like babies when THEY get dead at the hands of a P90 or shotgun. but thats just my opinion.--GLOCK10mm 17:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't particularly think any tactic is cheap (nor any weapon a "noob" weapon), no matter how "unfair" an advantage one thinks it gives. Some tactics are just simply more successful than others. The fact is that MW2 is a war game, and so goes the old saying all's fair in love and war. If a machine gun camper kills me, so what? I'll just respawn and continue with the game. But that's the point, it's a game. Some people take games way too seriously. Spartan198 01:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

For me, my response to ppl calling others and me campers or sniper whore, noob tuber. I just reply "It's a legitimate strategy". Don't get mad, get EVEN. Excalibur01 06:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Totally agree. I mean, I could possibly be wrong, but isn't "camping" essentially what snipers and machine gunners actually do in real life? I know it was last time I checked... And I sure as heck wouldn't want an M40A5 to clear a room with. Spartan198 03:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

As for dual-wielding, well some of it is logical. The P90 is designed to be easy to fire single handed, so in theory it could be dual-wielded, reloading would be impossible without slings though. As for the Mini-Uzis, c'mon guys, they're Uzis, how else do you Uze them? The Vector too could work, as the fancy anti-recoil system would help it. But with the UMP, I think you'd be in trouble. .45 ACP without anything to control recoil equals you not hitting jack all. M14fanboy

The proper way is how else to use a Mini Uzi. One hand holding the pistol grip, the other tightly grasping the fore-end for maximum control, and aiming properly down the sights. Spartan198 12:21, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I think it was a joke, I mean, how many people do you see firing one properly ;) Also, I think most strategys are legitimate, not that I camp, I don't. I just hate it when people use something for what its not meant for because its "good" (usually means easy to use), camping (kinda) with a snipers fine, or even an LMG as long as you're giving covering fire, but things that piss me off are sitting in a corner with a heartbeat sensor and waiting for people, using akimbo 1887's, using M16 Red Dot Sights, using Hardline, or using Commando. I think thats most of them... Alex T Snow 16:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll give you camping in a corner with a heartbeat sensor, but what's wrong with M16s with red dot sights? Spartan198 07:18, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

RIOT SHIELD

Just played the game and i have to admit the riot shield is the most fun weapon to use in multi-player. Bashing enemies to death is extremely gratifying. - JanG

i love when people use it, theyre easier to kill. Especially with the knife. If you are anywhere but directly in front of them they cant block it.

-k9870

That, sticky grenades, and powerful caliber fmj weapons are the only thing that can break through the shield - JanG

A WELL AIMED grenade from an M203 would take a guy with a shield outExcalibur01 06:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Unless the guy has a Blast Shield (explosive resistant face mask) equipped, he won't die unless it's a direct impact from a 40mm. He'll even survive sticky grenades on his shield. I've survived plenty with a Blast Shield on when I've got a Riot Shield. Half the time though, after a hit with a 40mm I'm near death anyway even with a Blast Shield on and usually the guy still has a second shot Draco122 17:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Hitting the shield with a 40mm won't kill the guy, the trick is to hit just behind or under him, launching his ass into the air. also FMJs work well, as do Semtex grenades. I myself use Marathon, Lightweight and Commando with my Riot Shield, as well as blast shield and an AA-12 for sticky situations. M14fanboy

Semi Auto only FAL

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!-S&Wshooter 21:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

The only Thing I could think to defend it is in The Falklands War both the UK and Argentina used the FAL. Which the UK used their L1A1 in single fire only, the Argentinian Army had theirs on Automatic, which Military experts have said that after the third shot makes in an Anti-Aircraft gun. I've never fired one, but in the game I like the controlled fire of the FAL, of it would just fire like another AK.-Km314

But it shoots way too slowly ingame to be of much use. They should have made it shoot in bursts of 2-S&Wshooter 04:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

From what I experienced in Multiplayer, it's powerful, it would be way to powerful if it was full auto, I think Infinity ward was going for a thing like they did in CoD4 with the G3. 1:21, 13 November 2009

I think they purposely brought down single fire rate to keep people from using modded controllers too. The g3 would fire as fast as you pulled the trigger, and anyone with a modded controller had an unfair advantage. The FAL is a true single shot, mods or not. I like it.

To whoever said "military experts have said that after the third shot makes in an Anti-Aircraft gun", I believe one person on the Military Channel does not count as "military expertS Just look at this guy: he's not shooting down any planes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1q8GiSIdc

If anything, the FAL with an ACOG makes a great DMR. Spartan198 00:54, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I dunno whats with all the fuss, I love the FAL in MW2. Sure auto would have been fun, but it's hugely accurate and powerful, not to mention long ranged. A Holo sight makes it a perfect AR, and an ACOG pretty much makes it competition for the EBR. M14fanboy

But I think I wish it's like in Rainbow Six where you can switch firing modes. The first 2 Call of Duty games did that. Excalibur01

Yeah, and I sort of expected firing mode switches in MW2, but I guess not. But really, the FAL would be ridiculous on full-auto man. M14fanboy

Tacticool-ness

Well, this game is awesome and all, but i hate the fact that they made it to be a HALO knock-off. Dual wielding? Glock 18s? God, this there ever going to be a game that gets Special Ops right? -The Winchester

No, because the average person doesn't know dick about guns or the military-S&Wshooter 02:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I really thought that it would be a badass fucking game, which it is, but they made it just too fucking...tacticool. -The Winchester

Its what happens when they cater to mall ninjas, dual g18s, dual deegs, dual sawn offs.... and the plot made no sense. Price launching a nuke, sheperd going bad, i love how the start of the game has sheperd just standing there without body armor in a war zone where the loliest terrorist could pick him off.... k9870K9870

Wouldn't you find a guy who uses .44 magnum in a modern war to be very cocky and arrogant? -Dannysaysnoo

True, but some Generals do carry Colt 1911A1s and the such. -The Winchester

No, anyone who can get a M1911 Authorized carries one-S&Wshooter 20:35, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

But most generals of today, especially a Lieutenant General would NOT be standing out on the front lines or strongly recommended not to. What is a Lt. General doing in Afghanistan anyway? The game also took out a lot of the old guns in the previous MW game Excalibur01 06:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention they chose what's essentially a wallhanger sniper rifle (WA2000) over a number of battle-proven designs (M24, M110, even the L96A1 that Counter-Strike players seem to be so in love with). Spartan198 03:15, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I would rather use my Winchester 88, shooting Hornady Custom .308's, over any of those rifles-S&Wshooter 04:46, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the WA2000 was a Stupid choice. That rifles has custom wood stocks and high quality handbuilt precision, and isn't meant for combat use. The only non magnum or anti-material sniper is the M21 EBR, which has a wrongly animated 20-round mag that only holds ten rounds. They dropped the M40, R700 and Dragunov, and gave beginners the Barrett .50 cal. I'm not the best sniper, but I wouldn't have minded a nice bolt action rifle thats not chambered in a massive round. M14fanboy

No, Dragunov is still in the game. As far as dropping the M40, it would seem logical to do so considering there are no US Marines in MW2. And having the R700 as a separate weapon than the M40 was just pointless, IMO. Spartan198 03:23, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

The Dragunov being in single player doesn't count. Why build it into the game and not add it to multiplayer? M14fanboy

Probably the same reason the M40A3 in CoD4 was restricted to MP. Spartan198 10:13, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Glock 18 with red dot

Hey if anybody plans to use a G18 with a red dot sight without a silencer I just wanted to tell you that using a G18 in this configuration is a bad idea, the muzzle flash of the gun on full-auto is so large that it actually blocks the view of the dot so much that you can barely see the dot

Glock 18s were already a bad move. and put three ~ at the end of your text to show your name. like so: -The Winchester

I have to agree, without the silencer used the G18s muzzle flash ruins your sight picture, not to mention it has zero range and horrid accuracy.M14fanboy

Ok thanks for telling me how to put my name on a page, and the G18 is an ok gun, I mean the gun tisn't that accurate when you do a full clip 33 round burst, but it is a good close quarters gun because you can hose down an enemy in about two seconds, and I sometimes use it to pin down other players because they think that I am using an MG and when the gun runs out of ammo and they jump out of cover I spray them with a real MG. User:Korean war marine

I use it for close quarters only, with usually a UMP or Vector to back it up in case I need some accuracy M14fanboy

Glock 18s don't use clips, they use magazines. And I agree with Winchester and M14fanboy, Glock 18 (along with Desert Eagle and Magnum revolver) was a bad choice. Heck, I'd take a Mark 23 over any of them in a combat op any day. They should put in actual combat pistols, not mall ninja favorites. Spartan198 03:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

They also removed the 1911 from multiplayer. That is just bull shit. I was hoping for a P226 or something from SIG since we got so many British characters or Browning Hi-powers. Excalibur01 17:30, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I had Hi-Power hopes as well, or possible the 226. But a Colt Anaconda and Desert Eagle, I thought this was military, not ghetto. The only good handguns really are the USP and the M93R, which is like a mini-M16. M14fanboy

I've said this before and I'll say it again that this is a war game, so they should have dropped the Desert Eagle, Anaconda, and Glock 18 for actual combat pistols like the aforementioned Hi-Power, 226, and 1911. Heck, I even had hopes that that new Russian service pistol (MR-446 Grach, I think it's called) would make an appearance, but my hopes were all for naught. Spartan198 03:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I know man, it's dperessing to see a WAR game with nothing but stupid magnum handguns firing ridicilously large rounds. Theres a total of two legit combat pistols, the USP and M9, and while I haven't used the USP I can say the M9 is shite. DLC pistols pl0x! M14fanboy

Is it just me

or does infinity ward think all firearms in the near future will have a bunch of Picatinny rails on them?

They just watch too many movies. But then again a lot of issued guns now do have rails. That's how the Marines Corp get their M4s and M16A4s now Excalibur01 06:46, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

All firearms in the near future (aside from oddballs like the XM8) will have Picatinny rails. Modularity is the wave of the future. Spartan198 03:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually if you look the extra rails are for the heartbeat sensor attatchment, which goes midway along the left side of all the guns its on. The UMP and P90 have them even though SMGs can't have that attachment, so obviously they were going to at some point in development.

ACOG "off" after EMP among other things.

Ok, I get the fact that all electronics that were turned on would have been knocked out after the EMP struck, but...when I picked up a rifle with an ACOG, the lights were out, leaving only a black reticule, which is bullshit because ACOGs don't work like that. They are not battery powered and as such would not be affected by the EMP. I also find it hard to believe that none of the soldiers had flashlights that were most likely turned off during EMP. Another nit-pick is that your weapon after the EMP was an M4 with an EOtech mounted on it. Why couldn't the creators have your character just flip up the iron sights? You had to pick up an entirely different M4, also coincidentally like yours with an M203, with iron sights up for that kinda of thing.

This is one of the many minor lazy details they could have done. Like for the ACR. I know for a FACT that the ACR's bolt release switch is in front of the trigger. It was designed so when you insert a fresh mag, all you have to do is press forward on the release right in front of the trigger! But instead, if you are empty, you insert new mag and then with your FIRING HAND, take it off the pistol grip and pull the charging handle back! One, no soldier would is RIGHT handed would taken their trigger hand off the grip unless they need it to fix a malfunction. They would use their NON firing hand to pull the charging handle since the charging handle and in fact the entire RIFLE was built for both hands to operate. But no, IW wanted us to waste precious seconds to see the wrong hand pull the charging handle. I got shot so many times using the ACR when I am empty completely because I can't just press the bolt catch with my trigger finger as the gun was DESIGNED to! Excalibur01 06:46, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

To add more fuel to the rant fire, the Glock 18 is an ok gun, I'll admit that in small bursts. But when you reload, you don't press the slide release, which would make getting back into action faster, but instead you're treated to your character pulling the slide back! This is only good for range shooting a Glock, since the slide release is pretty weak, factory wise, but in combat, pulling back the slide takes too much time, in fact, there's a couple seconds delay when reloading an empty Glock. That's why I try to not reload empty weapons. Always mid magazine change. It'll save fustraions for you watching your character take his damn time reloading and doing unneeded things like pulling the slide back or in the ACR's case, use right hand instead of left hand instead of pressing trigger finger forward. Excalibur01 06:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

And even MORE nitpicking. Look at how they attached the M203 on a Tavor in the game! I've seen what an M203 with a Tavor looks like in real life and it works ergonomicially but the way IW did it in this game makes it look stupid. Excalibur01 07:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

its a game and just about every gamer you come across wont know about weapons like i have been telling people about the screw ups and they said if they did not give it a name they would have just called the m93r a machine pistol and most people i know call assault rifles machine guns. -scarecrow

yeah I too noticed on the ACR how they made the unnecessary action of charging it and all that when, like they did with the SCAR and M4, they could just push bolt release, which would probably decrease reload time in the game. but hey, maybe the did it cause it would "look cool" - Whatsagun

Well at least for the M4 and SCAR, they are slapping the bolt release on the side of the gun. Excalibur01 16:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Seriously, no one else noticed how the M4 was modeled on Semi?-protoAuthor 03:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

The M203 in this game is based on an RIS-mounted airsoft replica. [7] Spartan198 03:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Back to the mocked up Glock 18, I think all videos on youtube never show full auto Glock's reloading. Just one magazine and "The End". But there was this one video on youtube called 298 rounds in full auto and it showed this guy with a mocked up Glock 18 not using the slide release lever, just pulling back the slide. With this video close to 5,000,000 views it's quite obvious IW got there ideas from that video. Glock 298 rounds in full auto

In response to that, I keep saying that most people target shooting with a lot of their guns would pull back the slide instead of pressing the slide release because every time they press down on it, it degrades it more and more. In a combat situation, you shouldn't be thinking about that if you are rushing to reload. If you are on the range, pissing bullets, then you do the pull slide back. Excalibur01 17:35, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I wanna nitpick on the gun selection in this game. I'm sure they did this to expand the number of guns used, but some of their choices just kinda irk me. For instance, why does the Russian military use FAMAS, Tavor TAR-21, MG4, UMP, TDI Vectors, PP2000, AUG, AK's and RPD's? Seriously, TAR-21's? Israel doesn't even really like Russia right now, considering that they're selling weapons to people who want to destroy them.--Gunkatas 09:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Well the AKs, RPD and PP2000 are obviously Russian weapons, but I hate that they didn't give them AK-74 type weapons, but all 47s instead. The Russian military doesn't use AK-47s anymore. They've switched to the smaller rounds. They also had the Russians during the Wolverine mission with FALs. IW obviously didn't know a thing about Russian military of today and didn't want to just give them all AKs, so they slapped them with a bunch of other guns. Excalibur01 17:35, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Wait a minute, aren't russians in the Wolverines mission ultranationalists? Because if they are the terrorist ones then they can have any gun they want.--Oliveira 18:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

No they're the russian army. I'm guessing that you haven't played the game (spoiler) as it is the russian army paratroopers invading the east coast of the U.S. --Gunkatas 02:12, 23 November 2009 (UTC))

I think the Ultra nationalist won the civil war in Russia. Excalibur01 04:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I think that IW was not thinking in terms of reality but in terms of playablity. I mean, think about it, how boring would it be if the only weapon you could find was an AK-47?

Yes, I have to agree that it seems that IW knows jack-shit about firearms, just like most everyone else in the world, unfortunately. An FN rifle with a reciprocating charging handle? Come on. 70.196.44.211 01:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

At least they didn't make the single player M16A4 a full auto weapon and made it burst. That one's ok. And seriously, if they were modeling their guns off of airsofts, or even real ones, how can they fuck up with the SCAR's rear flip up sight? It's very hard to miss where it folds. Excalibur01

I'll join the Nit picking, do correct me if I am wrong on this though. At least one of the Spec Ops missions has a suppressed M1014 and Striker. I haven't gone into multiplayer yet so I don't know if they pop up anywhere else, but I have never heard of a shotgun being suppressed. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

There's also a silenced AA-12 in one, too. But like you, I'm not to sure about how feasible the silencing of a shotgun is. Spartan198 16:49, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

They probably got the idea off the suppressed Remington 11-87 in No Country for Old Men. Mandaloin 04:30, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

When EMPs emitted from nuclear explosions they effectively send a massive charge through any electrical cable. To be more specific, an EMP is composed of three things. The E1 components of EMPs have an intense electric field that induces very high voltages in electrical conductors. The E2 components act like the EMPs from lightning, but as a result are also easily protected against. An ACOG, however, is certainly not protected from this. The E3 component acts like a geomagnetic storm, which produces even more geomagnetically induced currents in electrical conductors, which damages electric components. While it is true that the ACOG uses tritium versus a battery, this does not change the fact that it uses electrical conductors (cables) to connect parts. The EMP would fry the ACOG, regardless of its power source. Besides, batteries use electrochemical energy, so there's nothing different in the battery from everything else in the ACOG except for some salt. The fact that the ACOG should not have been affected by the EMP should be removed. --Strategos 19:20, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

The ACOG doesn't have a power source... Tritium is slightly radioactive which is why it glows. Nothing electronic about it. If you were right night sights on a pistol or even the tritium notches on my watch would go out. This isn't true at all.

TMP or MP9?

Hi. Just wondering about the labeling on the MW2 page. The game calls it a "TMP", but on the MW2 page it's labeled as an MP9. Since they look the same, why bother calling it the MP9 when it is in fact the TMP? -KLR

Because the MP9 is the newer version of the TMP. I do believe Bruger and Thomet took over production from Steyr, who no longer makes it. M14fanboy

Isn't the side-folding stock unique to the MP9? Spartan198 03:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that was a part of the update too. Either way, unless those are old TMPs, the MP9 is the logical choice for the game. M14fanboy

Update? Spartan198 10:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

The update Bruger and Thomet made when they took over building TMPs. M14fanboy

Walther WA 2000 screenshot

Did someone have fun or is this an unedited screenshot from the game? If you look at the scope you can see an unhappy sick face painted on the scope cover. I have yet to use this gun, so I don't know. My money is on someone having fun. --Gunkatas 09:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

No, it's really like that in the game, the only people having fun there was Infinity Ward :D 90.213.208.208

Thats the emblem used for a certain class of accolades, and a comedic effect as well. M14fanboy

stop lieing to the guy. yes it does have a sick face painted on the cover its more noticeable on the WA2000 theres one on the barrett M102(idk the spelling or the number) aswell but its hard to see. theres none on the intervention or the M21 EBR. - Scarecrow

L86A1 LSW drum magazine

It is impossible in real life to fire and handle an L85A1 LSW with a 100 round drum magazine? --Dangerman 1973 15:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Impossible? No. Incredibly uncomfortable, awkward, and impractical? Yes.--141.165.142.102 16:16, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Unless you're left-handed or have really long arms... Spartan198 03:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Also the drum in the game model doesn't make sense. That's surely not big enough tohold 100 rounds, looks more like 50 to me. M14fanboy

If you shot it left handed, the charging handle would break your jaw-S&Wshooter 21:28, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know the L85/86 had a reciprocating charging handle. Spartan198 09:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Either way you'd still get a face full of hot brass firing left handed. Which may probve to be a problem if I decide to enlist... The Wierd It 12:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

There's a theory of mine that in the very early parts of development, the L86 was going to be in the AUG's slot and the L86 now was going to be the Chinese Type 95 LMG. The AUG was apparently going as an Assault rifle as people initially thought. To me, the Drum magazine looks very similar to that of Type 95 LMG, maybe sometime mid-development they decided to change it to something else and merely slapped the Drum magazine on there? Draco122

SCAR H is really a SCAR L

I think that the SCAR that is in the game is actually chambered in 5.56. I say this because it holds 30 rounds and after the helicopter is shot down in DC you are given a mag for an M4 from Sgt. Foley who has a SCAR. I think they had the SCAR replacing the M16 as the main battle rifle of the U.S. Military with the M16A4 being used for the reserve troops. They probably used the SCAR H model to make it look cooler. --Gunkatas 21:20, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The SCAR in the game isn't chambered in anything because it is a video game. Also if I am not mistaken IMFDB policy in regards to videogames is to identify guns purely by looks, not by any specifications. --AdAstra2009 00:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

No its the Mk. 17 as evidenced by the larger flash suppressor. Infinity Ward probably created a 30 round mag to keep it more like an assault rifle than the battle rifle it is. Also the soldier who gives you the M4 dies and the clip could be from him. Here's a picture of the flash suppressor to show it's an Mk.17--Km314 06:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC) [[8]]

Magazine, not clip. And I thought there had been a 30 round magazine introduced for use with the M14 rifle a few years ago? Last I heard, the Mark 17 still used M14 mags. And, while this may not be the best of arguments here, the Mark 17 in-game has heavier recoil than either the M16 or M4 and generally seems more effective at longer ranges than the M4. Spartan198 09:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

It only has the 30 round magazine in single player, incorrectly, but in multiplayer, it has the 20 round. A lot of the weapons in multiplayer is correct but still, IW did miss a few things, like the rear iron sight for the SCAR is supposed to fold down towards the user, not away. Excalibur01 16:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the rear sight... someone on IW's forum actually pointed that out to them sometime prior to the game's release, but they didn't do anything. Spartan198 20:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Is it an M9, 92FS or 92SB?

I'm confused. We have the title of the handgun called an SB, then a photo of a 92FS and then in the description, it's called an M9. Which one is it? Isn't the game trying to portray an M9 since it's military use? Excalibur01

it should be cleened up. well im guessing that some one that only knows of the 92FS the civil version of the M9 (what its suposed to be) posted it but its a 92SB because of the rounded trigger guard. -scarecrow

Combat Knife

Can anyone identify the combat knife used in the final level? I know I've seen it before, I just don't know where. --Asmkillr323 20:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

-If it's the same one that shows up in the sneak type missions I believe its a Blackhawk Tatang or SZABO FELONY STOP. --Pawnstar

Looks like it's the Tatang. It is DEFINITELY NOT the Szabo Felony Stop. Thanks for the help, chief. --Asmkillr323 20:36, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

just played that level again and i dont think its a tatang -scarecrow

Well, they look exactly alike, from the design of the blade to the look of the grip. The dimensions may be a tiny bit off, but that's not all that surprising.--Asmkillr323 21:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Is that the same blade that appears when you melee? Gunner313

Not sure. --Asmkillr323 21:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

The melee knife, throwing knife and tactical knife are all different, IIRC. Easiest way to see the knife is to throw one and look at it. --24.63.181.248 22:34, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

i sware someone edited my post? i originally said that the one in SP is not a tatang the blade and grip a different shaped from what i remember. the one online is a tatang and the melee knife is a tatang im not sure about the tac knife the next time im on il check. il post a pic of the final one soon -scarecrow

There are actually only two knifes, Soap's at the end (not sure what it is), and the Tatang, which is the melee/throwing/tac knife/the one Soap and Price stab the guards with when they rappel down and when Price stabs the guy at the top of the stairs in Just Like Old Times

--Alex T Snow 08:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

allright to end this once and for all the melee/tac/throwing knife is the tatang but the endgame throwing knife is differant

Vector things

Just wondering,isnt the ingame name of the Kriss SUper V "Vector" wrong,because the gun has the TDI CRB/SO magazine and stock.

Copyright stuff.

I thought the Vector is the most modern variant from TDI. Excalibur01

wait what? i thought the CRB/SO is the semi auto civil versionscarecrow 03:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

AUG

Is the AUG supposed to be the equivalent of the FG42 from WAW? --Phil 22:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean "equivalent"? I know what the word means, I just don't know how it applies here. Spartan198 14:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Why would you compare a WWII weapon to a modern rifle? Excalibur01

Maybe he's asking if they fill the same role? I know the AUG Hbar classifies more or less as an infantry automatic rifle, intended to function as a magazine-fed light support weapon. Was this the FG42's role? Spartan198 17:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

From what I understand the FG42 was designed to give paratroopers a rifle that would replace the Kar 98, MP-40, MG-42, and their pistols in airbourne jumps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FG42 gives you a good idea. Grizzlybar

I think he means the M82 (Barrett .50 Cal) is to the PTRS-41 as the AUG Hbar is to the FG42. Understand now? And to answer your question, Phil, no I don't think so for two reasons. They both perform differently, especially in terms or recoil and magazine capacity. Second, Treyarch likes to copy Infinty Ward, not the other way around. It's not like IW to take an idea from Treyarch.Mandaloin 04:45, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that at all. The HBAR has a 42 round magazine, the FG42 a mere 20. Also, in WaW the FG42 has a stupidly high ROF which burns the mag if you cough on your controller. The AUG is more accurate and has a better ROF, not to mention it looks better IMO. M14fanboy

Suppressed Shotguns

I find it weird and kinda stupid that the game has suppressed shotguns. Every single shotgun has a suppressor and they are very quiet sounds too Excalibur01

I'm not too sure on how feasible silencing a shotgun is either. Either way, suppressed shotguns seem to me like the in-game equivalent of bringing an airsoft to a gunfight: USELESS. Spartan198 16:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

The only way you can silence a shotgun is by porting the barrel and installing an integrated suppressor. And it never will be as quiet as portraid in the game. There is a vid on ytube where one gentleman show his silenced shotguns.

well at least they didn't screw it up compleatly and put suppressors on the 1887s scarecrow 03:54, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

GP-30 reload

As you know, russian under-barrel grenade lauchers (GP series) shoots caseless rounds. But why the f character in MW games feels the need to shake something (shellcase?) out of the bore after each shot? How could IW let such harsh technical inaccuracy in both modern warfare games? I could assume that this was done for balance sake, but why not just make longer but proper looking animation.

Like you said, it was done for balance. IW was more concerned with "fair play" unfortunately. Spartan198 17:18, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I just thought that it would be better if they left the ejection animation out and extended the time duration of the animation of putting the new round in. That way, it makes the game more realistic and balanced. --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 21:30, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

True. I mentioned the same above. But the thing is that this game was aimed at mass gamer audience most of which know donkey dick about weaponry and, in particularly, some Russian muzzle-loaded under-barrel gls. Neither they know that 1 cartrige stays up the pipe when you reload mid-mag. IW is a money shovelers now. Too much disappointments for me. I don't buy their games anymore.

Very true. Even I didn't know how the GP launchers functioned up until a few years ago. Spartan198 12:36, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

art book scans?

hey i was just wondering does any one know where i could find some scans of the art book from the prestige ed if someone could upload then a post a link or find a link to a nother site thats would be great thanks scarecrow 03:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Enjoy link

thanks mystery person scarecrow 08:06, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Funny, my artbook doesn't have pics of SCARs or MG4s in it... Spartan198 08:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Removing Sights

I was wondering how hard it would be to remove mounted sights (like the acog, HALO sight, red dot sights, etc) from the top of the rails on a battlefield. I'm sure it would require tools, but would soldiers be required to carry these tools? I was just wondering because with the EMP blast, when the battery powered optics become useless, how hard would it be to remove those sights and use the backup sights? Aren't the backup sights there in case something does happen to the attached sights?--Gunkatas 21:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

No way! If you could adjust your weapon on the go (like in Crysis, Stalker), it would be just too complex for a game like CoD.

No. The point of mounting an optic onto a system is to not require tools (although I'm not too sure about the HALO sight). Many of the mounts use thumb-screws that you tighten by using your hands. It's not as tight as using a wrench, but in in emergencies, this makes them easier to remove. As of the back-up sights, I'm afraid IW uses them only for aesthetic purposes, and prove no purpose. --Blemo File:Progress Wheel.gif ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • _EMAIL • _MESSAGE 21:27, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

No, no special tools are needed to remove any of those optics. Just twist a thumbscrew or flip a throw lever (depending on type of mount), pull it off, and you're good to go. Spartan198 02:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Just been wondering. I don't expect games like COD to be all that realistic (given the plot and the characters ability to regenerate health from near death). Was just wondering how difficult it was in reality.--Gunkatas 16:43, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

The stupid part of the EMP was that the ACOG scopes were not on. ACOGs don't use batteries to light up their sights. Excalibur01

Yeah, that's an embarrassing error. They could do a spectacular animation showing player (and some of his squad-mates) dismount their sights, throw it away, flip up buis' and remark how it fucking sucks. Those in team with ACOGs on their pieces would leave them and have greater accuracy. Also they could insert some comic conversation between rangers, like: "Dud, I told you ACOG rules, brah". And of course player could find rifle equipped with it.

its surprising how many ignorant people there are i nearly got in a full argument with someone a few days back over the fact he claimed (and still believes) ALL ACOG sights sorry he thinks ALL sights apart from iron sights are powered by battery i guess thats why he looked puzzled when i started laughing at him i guess IW is just a group of ignorant people that should do more research scarecrow 10:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

And their military advisers are as ignorant.

I doubt they even have a military adviser. Spartan198 22:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

a lot of sights can be co witnessed, where you can still use your irons looking through the sight when off // disabled. Hell often times the dot in the sight lines up with your front sight post. -stu

So out of all the ways Infinity Ward took a crap on realism with MW2 we're complaining about the ACOG turning off...? Mandaloin 12:08, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I would close eyes on bullshit perks and story, if they made everything from the technical side at least look properly.

I'm not just talking about perks and storyline or even technical stuff. How about the ability to single-handedly breach into a room with a 37-pound .50 caliber rifle and kill 4 armed men in 2.5 seconds using 4 rounds. Or maybe the fact that every freaking weapon has a full rail system on it, even in the hands of ragtag militia in Brazil and Afghanistan. Or maybe how I can squeeze 30 rounds out of a 20 round SCAR-H mag. Maybe it's the fact I can run around with 2 UMP-45's and reload them by putting them at my side for a second or two. It's probably really the fact that the M240B has very similar, if not the same attributes of the M249 SAW from COD 4 despite the fact it uses a drastically more powerful round, weighs more, and has a slower fire rate in reality. It could just be how you can take out everyone while firing a fully automatic Glock pistol (mislabeled as a G18) with one hand while driving a snowmobile over a giant cliff with the other. Rant finished. Mandaloin 04:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

from what I understand the SCAR-H uses M14 mags and to my knowledge there are 30 round mags for the M14. --FIVETWOSEVEN 01:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure on that, but even if that is true the in-game model is unquestionably a 20-round mag. Mandaloin 20:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)