Talk:Terminator Salvation

bullets work on robots in this movie? That's a new thing. Every movie we see humans shoot these toasters with bullets, they just bounce right off. Unless the humans in this movie are using some new kind of bullets, or the guns are just props for "plasma" weapons

Winchester here...i just saw the trailer and saw that bullets do in fact work against the terminators as they havent been armored too well yet. And the rifle is in fact an H&K 416.

5.56x45mm FMJs would ricochet off "simple steel" like none other. Either the metal that Terminators are made of isnt that hardened or everybody's using APRs, but i doubt it, so i'm guessing lesser armored Terminators. The Winchester

They likely fire those plasma rounds we see all the guns fire in the other Terminator films. Keep in mind, those were real guns firing some type of futuristic ammo. - Gunmaster45

In the trailer, Connor clearly fires bullets into the Terminator's head, i didnt see any plasma or anything. The Winchester

we'll find out when the movie comes out but I am disappointed that there's not plasma weapons

Real weapons are better anyway. Spartan198 09:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

The T800s use hardened armor of a special metal. This is rare. T600s are made of simpler metals, which ammo can punch through. Most guns are shown as ineffective though.

I prefer real guns though and i think i read in some terminator books how the T-600 are made of normal metal which normal rifle rounds and 45 ACP can punch through. I don't know much about stopping power of ammo against metal so i can't say if thats realistic or not.-Oliveira 14:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

In the original Terminator, Kyle Reese remarks about the T-800: "Underneath, it's a hyper-alloy combat chassis - micro processor-controlled, fully armored. Very tough....[t]he 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy." So, assuming the non-T-800 models are made of the original material, their vulnerability is plausible.-ZeoRanger5 14:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

The T-600 aren't made of hardened alloys in order to keep weight down. Some small arms fire is absolutely useless against T-600's (We watched Connor empty a mag's worth of .45's at the T-600 point blank with no effect. But some of the larger caliber rounds could puncture various parts, like thinner areas of the skull or unprotected hydraulic or electrical lines. The T-800's utilize a lightweight "Hyper-Alloy" of unknown composition meaning that large caliber armor piercing rounds, or anti material rounds would be the most effective... aside from crew served weapons or high explosives. Archer

Connor's rifle

I don't think it's a 416. Take a closer look at that promotional still. The rifle has flip-up sights that the 416 doesn't have. Unless there were a modification added, but I think it's just a regular M4 with a full rail on top.

i agree look at the barrel lug, that screams M4.

and because somebody is gonna come around bitching heres some proof. look at the barrels.

H&K 416 http://world.guns.ru/assault/as75-e.htm

Colt M4A1 http://www.imfdb.org/images/e/ed/ColtM4.jpg

I could be wrong, but when I was looking at the .PNG, i saw what looked to be part of an H&K Safety/Fire Selector. I don't ever recall seeing that type of fire selector on an M4A1, and i don't think it was a piece of debris either, as what I saw was a white rectangle aligned with the reciever

The 416s front iron site is flipped down against the barrel if you look at the rifle pics up close.

Its definitely an HK416. The selector switch is painted white where it should be. You can also see the gas block is correct for an HK416 even though the flashlight is partially in the way. Seems like too much work for it to be simply a custom m4.

It could be a barrett m468

First off, why the hell does everyone start thinking a "cool" looking rifle is a Barrett REC7 all the time? I've seen plenty of that here. I have yet to see a movie or TV series that shows Barrett REC7 outside of Future Weapons. Excalibur01 05:45, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

And yes it is a 416, I took a closer look at the selector switch. I guess they gave the one used by Christian Bale, a longer barrel and swapped out the sights for those we see. Looking closer, the rails fit the kind H&K uses for the 416. Excalibur01 05:45, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

You guys DO also know that HK manufactures a 416 upper receiver for the M4, right?

Yeah, it's the same 416 upper reciever for all the H&K 416s. It was proposed that to cut down cost for the military to adopting the 416, they just buy the upper reciever, which can easily slap onto any M4. Excalibur01 00:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Another Reason it cannot be an M468 is that it is lacking the M468's signature SIR handguard. Without it the gun is again put into question whether it is really an HK416 instead of the M468.

Jeez, this is messy, someone cut and paste all this into "discussion", I'm sure when people open this page they don't want to just see some big argument cluttering up the page - User:AdAstra2009

Done. But it's not like cutting and pasting arguments into the Discussion section is something you couldn't have done. -MT2008 05:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Just lazy and sometimes, people don't look in the discussion section Excalibur01 05:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I did not do so since as I was not participating in the discussion over whether it was a M4A1 or a HK416 I did not think it would be appropriate for me to be the one to do so. User:AdAstra2009

Note the white writing on the breech, under his left hand...confirming it being an H&K 416 (The Winchester)

Definitely a 416, but looked like it had the HK rear sight replaced with an ARMS one. I just got back from seeing the movie. Spartan198 09:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

Quick update, it is using YHM flip up iron sights. It is a 416, as noted by the rail system, special upper receiver, and special lower receiver. Please update the info to include that it uses YHM BUIS, as I had a hell of a time tracking it down!

Anachronism?

Perhaps this might be a bit of a nit-pick, but since Terminator Salvation assumes that Judgment Day takes place in 2004 (after the events of Terminator 3), wouldn't the presence of the Magpul Masada (first displayed in 2007) be an anachronism? Markit

Good point, Markit. I actually think that its more like a CQBR or M933, because one of the pictures shows Common with a M4-style weapon. -Winn

I'm going to see this tonight. I'll see what I can pick out on it. But, at first glance from the screencap, the visual profile (mainly in the receiver and fore grip area) looks like a Masada rather than an AR variant. Spartan198 05:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

Yes, definitely a Masada from what little of it I saw. Unless they stuck a Masada stock on an AR, but somehow I find that unlikely. Spartan198 09:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

Masadasalvation.jpg --Joffeloff 07:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

They never specifically state Judgment Day occurs in 2004, and the fact McG does not like T3 at all. There are a few things that crossed over from T3 (like The T-1 model seen in the beginning of the directors cut and the "SKYNET central" scenes) But McG has been stating his plans to have another foray into a Pre-Judgment Day world (which he stated seeing Connor running around in 2011) Archer

I noticed this as well. I'm guessing that Terminator Salvation goes by the Sarah Connor Chronicles timeline, which states that Judgement Day took place in April 2011, which would explain the discrepancy. Laqueesha (talk) 13:22, 18 March 2013 (EDT)

We can assume that time is constantly changing and affected. After Terminator 2, the end of the world was moved up a few years and T3 kinda established it even more. We can assume the Sarah Connor Chronicles screwed with the future even more 23:56, 18 March 2013 (EDT)

Terminator 2 clearly altered the timeline, so maybe that's why we see some "anachronistic" guns, they were developed before their time in the real world.--Dillinger (talk) 02:47, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

Why the hell would blowing up Skynet cause a completely unrelated company to develop a rifle at an earlier date? It makes a lot more sense to just say Judgement Day got pushed back.--Leigh Burne (talk) 04:41, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

Indeed. Most likely, Judgement Day happens in 2011 in Salvation's (per Sarah Connor Chronicles) timeline, rather than 2004. Laqueesha (talk) 00:17, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

M26 12 Gauge MASS stand alone

I get that John Conner removes this shotgun attachment from his M4, but how was he able to pull the trigger back without a proper grip? It seemed kinda awkward to hold and more so to pull the trigger and fire it without some form of pistol grip. Excalibur01 20:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

how can a shot guns damage a Terminator?

It's been accepted throughout the series that while shotguns won't necessarily damage a Terminator, they'll slow or halt it's progress temporarily. In Terminator 2: Judgment Day, the shotgun wasso it like hitting one with a incredibly effective against the T1000 on numerous occasions. --Clutch 00:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I forget about that, I need to watch the movies again Rex095

How and when does connor get the MASS off the M4, and where does the M4 go? He sprays Arnie with the burst then next time we see the him he's just got the MASS. Also did anyone notice Connor empties the Mk 23 into Arnies face at point blank range yet when moments later he shoots the pipe there is magically a round left in the pistol? --Captain Snikt 05:12, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm watching the movie as i write and i believe that just after the T-800/Arnie first comes into the room and Connor has fired a burst at it/him, the M4 empties and he fiddles around with it a bit and is then thrown across the room and when he lands he has only the M26 in his hands. Possibly since the M4 was empty he detatched it quickly and left the M4 behind when the T-800/Arnie threw him. Oh and the slide didn't lock back after he shot Arnie in the face so i don't think it emptied. I literally just watched the part (Marcus just ripped off Arnies head) and i didn't see the slide lock back. T.H.M.Christensen 00:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

This Movie

I watched this movie in the theather yesterday. I fucking loved every minute of it. Can i screencap this movie when it comes out? Please? Please?-Oliveira 14:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Gun on top of tow truck

There's a machine gun mounted on top of the tow truck (the first time we see the moto terminators in the car chase scene). It looks like an M249 or M240. Anyone else? - Gunkatas

There are also LMGs on top of some of the resistances pickups. No really good shot s of them though. They could be SAWS, 240s, PKMs, or Vecktors for all I know.

Looked like an m60 to mee.

Uzi.

In one one the scens where John Conner is doing a radio broadcast, one of the resistance fighters in the cell in the jungle has an Uzi. A rather poor choice for fighting the machines if you ask me.

Unless they have manufactured Russian 9mm ammo that is built with a steel core that is armor piercing. And it could easily be that is all he had.

9MM penetrates better than .45 ACP.--FIVETWOSEVEN 19:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

M16s/M4s

One severael resistance members that get off the choppers at the begining have Either M16s, or M4s, and at least some of them have underbarrel M203s. In addition at least one resistance member at John Conner's base has and M16 A4 with a 203 uncer a barrel, and what I belive to be an M68 red dot sight.

Connor's gun rack

on the gun rack in connor's room i saw 2 hk ump's, g36k, g36c all with c-more sights there might have been others but that was all i could see

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I smell a failed spambot...--PistolJunkie 17:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

It's SKYNET!! It's gaining awareness, run!!!!!--97.240.30.172 19:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

unknown pistol

looks like an LAR Grizzly pistol in .45 acp

jungle resistance

one of the resistance members in the jungle listening to connor on the radio had some kind of m16 carbine

What jungle? Excalibur01

He's referring to the "You are the resistance" broadcasts, and is correct. From what I could tell on the DVD it looked more like some shorty M16 then an actual M4. Hard to make out much more.

FS2000

How is it an FS2000?Excalibur01 04:54, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Just compared pictures, Its a F2000, barrel is too short.--FIVETWOSEVEN 19:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

sp101

I dont think that revolver is a sp101 because the barrel looks to long and the grip seems to big as well...more likely a GP100 or something of that effect.--Spades of Columbia 20:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that is absolutely a GP100. I own 2 of them. -J3

Mark 23 ammo

Is it just me or did John Connor only fire 5 or 6 rounds the first time he uses his Mark 23 before it emptied? T.H.M.Christensen 00:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I thought that he only fired a few times before he had to move because of the terminator was on him.--FIVETWOSEVEN 00:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

No, the slide locked back empty T.H.M.Christensen 00:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Maybe he-d been off killin more robots earlier in the day and didnt wanna waste half a mag - Captain Snikt

Or those 5 or 6 rounds were all they had left. It is the future afterall, they dont exactly have factories manufactoring bullets anymore. -Winn

It was just it being a movie, after all he reloaded his M26 after firing a couple of rounds.--FIVETWOSEVEN 05:34, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Heckler & Koch P2A1

Just saw the 1/6th scale Hot Toys John Connor, and noticed that he comes with a grappling hook launcher that is a Heckler & Koch P2A1 Flare Pistol. Was this used in the film, or is it just something made up for the toy? --commando552 18:58, 15 December 2011 (CST)

Beretta 92/M9

I noticed tonight that a helicopter pilot was using a Beretta 92 or M9 against one of the underwater Terminators that was attacking when hovering over the river at night