Talk:Jericho (2006)

L85A1

How in the world would a civilian in the US manage to get their hands on one of these things? I mean, to my knowledge there's no semi-auto civvy version and no US governmental or law enforcement agencies use it. The SCAR is similarly out of place but at least plausible... Is it perhaps safe to assume that both of the above guns, like the HK416 in the hands of the US Marine NCO, is a mistake on the armorer's part? Spartan198 08:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I really can't tell if that's an L85A1 or not. But yes, the mistake was probably made by the propmaster or one of their assistants. Stanley is seen loading a G36C in that same episode, which is presumed to have been another weapon taken from the Marines, and that, too, would be a mistake. -MT2008 15:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I blew up the image when first looking at it, thinking perhaps it was an AR with a triangular handguard (e.g., an M16A1 or something thereof), but by the lack of a front sight post and the position and height of what appears to be a SUSAT scope on the receiver (and, you know, the lack of a magazine housing in front of the user's right arm and hand, of course) convinces me that it's an L85. Spartan198

It is possible for it to have been an L85. If I remember correctly in the series Dark Angel the eugenics commandos were armed with L85s with iron sights. In particular I remember Amy Dumas, who was the wrestler "Lita" for the WWE loosing off a few rounds but, in semi-auto only (seen in the second season/series finale "Freak Nation") . Additionally the weapon was seen in Battlestar Galactica with, again, iron sights. Charon68

I was speaking in story context, not armorer context. I'm saying it doesn't seem plausible for some random civvy in a nearby rural town to have one. Spartan198

Most likely not possible for some random civilian in the middle of no where America to get himself an L85. Unless the British sent troops in and some of them got killed and this was a pick up gun. I can understand the SCAR in the hands of the Mercenaries Ravenwood because they work directly with the new government. Excalibur01 05:37, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

HK416 is not HK416

A fake Marine with an HK416 in Episode 1.16, "Semper Fidelis".

Look toward the end of the fore-grip just ahead of the PEQ-2, there's part of an A-frame front sight barely visible. That's not an HK416, it's an M4. At least in this shot it is, which would explain it having a 14-inch barrel in a wide shot as the Marines first arrive in town. Apparently we've got ourselves a major continuity error. Spartan198 15:57, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, definitely a major continuity error. The stand-off scene seems to be the only one with an HK416. All other scenes of the NCO seem to show him with an M4. But someone with the DVD will need to double check, because as I was pausing and rewinding to get good angles of the weapon for confirmation, I accidentally hit the wrong damn button on my remote and changed the channel, resetting the DVR so that I couldn't rewind back to where I was in the episode (I was about 15 minutes or so behind the broadcast due to excessive rewinding). Spartan198 16:18, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking when people keep talking about the Marines would not be issued with the HK416, they are not real Marines so it could be that they took the weapons off of some other unit and just pretended to be Marines as Spec Ops soldiers would seem strange to locals coming in and helping to rebuild. Just my thoughts anyway. --cool-breeze 14:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Have you ever seen this episode of the show? They were definitely pretending to be Marines, but they definitely weren't SOF. At any rate, your thoughts would be incorrect as I've already pointed out that it's a continuity error due to the fact that the stand off scene is the only one with the HK416; in the scenes around it, that "Marine" has an M4. Spartan198 19:15, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

I think you misunderstood what I meant. The government could have kitted out Special Forces soldiers as Marines to get around the law against using Army on US soil. So that's what I meant. I have no doubt that all the "Marines" thought that they were Marines, hence they pretended to be Marines, and they had Marine equipment (the Tank says USMC on it). But it is most likely a continuity issue, just a bit strange that they would only be able to get a hold of a HK416 over an M4 which I assume there are tons of in Hollywood armouries compared to HK416s. --cool-breeze 18:35, 22 March 2011 (CDT)

This episode doesn't have any SOF "kitted out as" Marines, they were all civvies pretending. Even the 416-toting "Gunny" said he was "a PE teacher who saw too many movies". Where you got this idea of SOF impersonating Marines is beyond me as nothing like that happened in this show. And considering that the whole country had gone to hell with every form of official law enforcement pretty much non-existent at the time, the only way to regain order would be to declare martial law and deploy US military personnel as peacekeepers. Posse Comitatus sure as hell didn't prevent the ASA from bombing the male population of New Bern back to the Stone Age, that's for sure. Spartan198 22:58, 26 June 2011 (CDT)

I don't know where this attitude is coming from but if you read what I put instead of jumping on it I meant the Marines who these people took all their stuff off of could have been SOF kitted out as Marines. Then when the revolt happened and these guys took all of their gear they wouldn't have known that the people they took it off of were SOF impersonating Marines in order to get around Posse Comitatus. And this is before the ASA existed. And isn't it illegal to deploy US Military personnel apart from Marines and the National Guard on their own soil? So what I am saying is all of the "Marines" these guys stole the guns, clothing and the tank from could have been SOF that had been dressed up as Marines in order to help police the camp. NOT the PE teacher who saw any movies. --cool-breeze 05:22, 27 June 2011 (CDT)

Foley goof

Hawkins fires an AKM

In the Season 1 episode "Coalition of the Willing" Hawkings fires what appears to be a semi-automatic version of the AKM and the foley artist sound some AUTOMATIC weapons sounds on the firing. It's usually a commonality in movies and TV shows to place FULL-AUTO sounds on semi-automatic assault rifles.

Plus in that scene, when Hawkings stop firing his AKM and shouted "Where the hell is Jonah?!" I saw the bolt/charging handle stuck in mid-fire (presumably an unknown jam). Just my observation. --Dangerman 1973 05:00, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Last M4 screencap (plot spoiler warning)

Definitely Marines rather than Soldiers due to the MARPAT uniforms, but I don't believe they're AS. I haven't seen the show in a while, but I vaguely remember that being the last time the bomb was seen in it. That would mean that it's after Jake and Hawkins landed in Texas and turned the device over to the government there, which would make those men Republic of Texas Marines.

But since I'm vague on this, I only altered the caption to read "AS Marines" rather than "AS soldiers". Spartan198 19:26, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

Just rewatched the episode in question "Sedition" and I think the guys wearing MARPAT were not AS Marines but probably some sort of special ops troopers since, among other things, they lacked helmet covers for their K-Pots. Either that or they were Jennings & Rall (you have to have seen the show) security troops.

As a side topic the only thing about this show that kind of bugged me is...where did the people from New Bern get all the damn firepower from? The mortars are explained (they made them themselves) but the small arms? While I could see civilian AKs, AR-15s, and M1As where did the M2 .50 and the M-60s come from never mine the ammunition to allow sustained fire? --Charon68 20:41, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

They could have traded for them. There was the Black Jack Fairground which seemed to have a lot of things. I agree on the ammunition as well. Bit strange that they had so much ammunition, especially for an M60 as well. --cool-breeze 18:39, 22 March 2011 (CDT)

Thermold plastic magazines

A little nitpicking I know but I recently saw this pic:

http://chivethebrigade.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/why-photo-911-920-22.jpg

The Marine in the middle has an M4 which clearly has a Thermold like mag loaded in his weapon. --Charon68 18:14, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

No, that's a PMAG. Spartan198 22:25, 26 June 2011 (CDT)