Talk:Terminator 2: Judgment Day

Eventually I will give this page the revamp it deserves. I'll remove my terrible widescreen shots and make this page full. I promise. -GM

Doing it now :) - Gunmaster45

Finished. But I'm going to add a lot more fun stuff and devote a whole section to Stan Winston, in honor of his passing (since I have just about every movie his animatronics are in, you guys will see shots from those movies here). - Gunmaster45

I would really prefer if you didn't. Not that I don't respect Winston (having grown up a Jurassic Park fan), but this is IMFDB. Remember, we need to be somewhat careful about how many images and other stuff we upload. -MT2008 18:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Well I gave it a try. I think of it as info like MPM adds to his page, similair to the Rambo III page. I tried to keep the Winston section small but heartfelt. How does everything look now that it is done. - Gunmaster45

Technically

Even though Mail Call has the most guns at 98 currently, this page is technically the largest on the site. It has the most pictures and written information of any page on IMFDB, even check largest pages section on Special pages. - Gunmaster45

Just to bring up that some of the guns on Mail Call are repeats. Don't think it counts if you repeat some of the guns just because they appear again in a different season. I mean, Garand, M16, BAR. Repeated 3 times and you count them to the weapons count? That's cheating. You're supposed to just list the different kinds of guns shown and say if they appear in other seasons than to repeat them again. Excalibur01 06:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I guess that's a good point. Still, it took just as long to do the page as any other huge page, even though there are repeats. And I liked my format, I document the guns in each season individually, so no gun pic is weeded out do to excessive screencaps (which I've been ragged on about quite a bit). Even if the guns repeat, the time put into it and the amount of information would still make it the largest page, but I couldn't necessarily say it has the most guns. Once I get the rest of the seasons (which Ebay has now failed me on so finding the DVDs will be harder) the page will be too big to hold it all and likely split into sections. Anyway, it was dumb to make a competition out of page making. My bad. If The Unit has just a little more format correcting (image sizing and linking) it will be a great page. Right now it seems a little "rough draft". No offense of course. - Gunmaster45

From the 7th down on the 1887: "You'd think a Terminator would know better than to wrap its finger around the trigger" A terminator wouldn't need to worry about that. A machine would only pull the trigger when it was supposed to.

Dirt bikes in this film are Hondas.

The dirt bike used by Jon Connor was not a Yamaha DT50. The bike used by Edward Furlong was a 1990 Honda XR80, while the one used by his stund double was a XR100 of the samed year. Both bikes had their front and side number plates removed, and were dirtied up to give them an older look.

Too long?

This page is really, really, really long. I think its cool how there is some Stan Winston stuff on here but I just think the bloopers and some other stuff kinda overkills it. Whoever worked on this did a very good job, but should this be page be trimed a little? --Mauser 05:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with that statement, the trivia takes up almost half the page. --AdAstra2009 19:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

The Stan Winston stuff could be moved to its own page. That would take out some of it. It's an extremely popular page, so the extra trivia stuff makes it nice, besides if you don't care about that stuff, you don't have to scroll down that far. -Predator20 21:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Predator. The trivia makes the page really interesting.--Oliveira 21:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, no doubt that its interesting....but you have to remember that this is IMFDB. --AdAstra2009 21:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention that people will use this page as justification for making pages full of irrelevant/uninteresting crap.(not that I think the trivia on this page is uninteresting, but it is sort of irrelevant) --AdAstra2009 22:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I absolutely agree that it is very nicely down. The one reason I wouldn’t want to see it changed is because I know whoever added that info had to have worked pretty hard on it. But I also agree to the fact that it is pretty much irrelevant, although cool at the same time. Thats why I suggest just trimming it. So I dont know what comes next, maybe we all agree to disagree lol.--Mauser 02:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the entire section except maybe the Stan Winston Memorial should be cutted and pasted into the discussion page. That way it will not be cluttering the main page with irrelevant info but it will also preserve GM45's work. --AdAstra2009 02:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

40mm grenade arming ranges...

There are a couple of "families" of 40mm rounds. The M381/M386/M406 HE rounds are one. The only basic differences are the fuses used. The M381 uses a M552 point-detonating fuse that arms from the centrifugal force of spinning in the rifling after the initial set-back from firing and arms in 2 to 3 meters. In use, this grenade did pose a danger to firers if used without firing from cover because the casualty radius is something like 5 meters. The M386 and later rounds use the M551 fuse that has adds a little more complexity to make sure the grenade does not arm until it is 14 meters to 28 meters from the launcher.

Therefore, it is unlikely an active duty soldier/Marine would be issued a M381 out of normal supply, but it's more likely someone using older supplies would be more likely to find one. 40mm grenades going off at short range is therefore--like cookies to the Cookie Monster now--"a sometimes" thing...

How do you capture a Terminator?

Seriouisly, how are supposed to do it? In T3 a giant electromagnet is used to trap T-X, but once it's traped, how do you reprogram it? Yoi get near the magnet with any amount of metal and you are stuck. PS: If there are T-600, T-800, T-1000, and T-X termiantors, are there T-200 and T-400 models too? Aslo, why can't the resistance get anything better than at T-800, and why is John Conner so imporntant? He has a limited knowlege of weapons, no training in tactics, leadership, or anything else. Why not a Delta Force/ SAS/ Navy SEAL/instert name of elite fighting unit here person? OK, so it's a movie and its cool, but make no sense. On that note, why leave the M72 LAW rocketss and M60 behind in the armoury? An M72 would blow T-1000 to bits, hopefull far enough away that he couldn't re-from. The M60 would have been nice to shoot T-1000/ police cars with as well. An why not give John a flack jacket and AKM or MAC-10? Mandolin 04:27, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

- Bah. Not to just blow you off here, but honestly, most of those questions are ones that are meant to be answered by other sites, and don't really have anything to do with the guns used in the films, much less this film. Your bigger fansites (Terminator Files immediately comes to mind) can answer all that better than we probably can (or care to for that matter).

But to give you some short answers, one, I'm sure the process of capturing/reprogramming a terminator is rather involved to put it lightly, and I'm not going to delve into hypotheticals here. Second, yes there are numerous models/units in the T-series. Third, probably because the T1000 and TX are the latest designs, and aren't even used in the future war, unlike the T800 Terminators which are used rather heavily it seems. Next, John Connor is the one that actually rallies humanity to fight back in the first place, you don't need to be a SEAL or Delta to do that (though I admit, that would help), not to say he couldn't have still gotten that kind of training or learned that kind of knowledge anyway.

As for your last questions, which actually are somewhat relevant - first off, I'm sure there's only so much they can carry on them, as well as in their vehicle. You have to remember, they were going to run, not take the T1000 and the police head on as it turned out. And I disagree, the Mini-Vulcan (Minigun) is/was an immensely better choice to shoot up the police cars, as we are shown in the film. And finally, John is supposed to live, at all costs - Giving him a weapon and letting him fight only risks him getting killed, and for no good reason.

And that's all you're getting from me for now. StanTheMan 19:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)